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Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story?
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Marathon Investigation just put up analysis of his world record setting Phoenix marathon: https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/...marathon-result.html

This comes on the heels of his race at LA Marathon (another record breaking performance). https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/...aking-marathons.html

Of course, Let's Run is all over this too. https://www.letsrun.com/...d.php?thread=9307635
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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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This guy appears to have become really good at hitting the mats at just the right time after learning from a couple dq's and a ban based on impossible splits at CIM. Without the abundance of photos and video and people like Derek and folks on letsrun willing to comb through it in detail, matching splits with other runners, etc. he would be getting away with this now.

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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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well there goes my day lol
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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [Sean H] [ In reply to ]
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Screw reading the Mueller Report. I'm heading to lets run right now.

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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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I could read Crime and Punishment, I could read Life and Fate, I could read War and Peace.

But I chose to read every page of the Frank Meza cheating thread on Letsrun.

Every page.
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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [RowToTri] [ In reply to ]
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This guy appears to have become really good at hitting the mats at just the right time


Yeah, that took some planning. RD's might need to start randomizing timing mat placement. I wonder if he used the timing mat placement from the previous year or if it's in the race info or if he drove the course before the race.
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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [Sean H] [ In reply to ]
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Sean H wrote:
well there goes my day lol

59 pages? There goes a couple of days

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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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RandMart wrote:
Sean H wrote:
well there goes my day lol


59 pages? There goes a couple of days

I'm old enough to remember that guy from Philly a few years ago that cheated to BQ. that was a crazy long thread on letsrun.

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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [pattersonpaul] [ In reply to ]
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pattersonpaul wrote:
RandMart wrote:
Sean H wrote:
well there goes my day lol


59 pages? There goes a couple of days


I'm old enough to remember that guy from Philly a few years ago that cheated to BQ. that was a crazy long thread on letsrun.

Mike Rossi wasn't that long ago

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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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Yep. I've been a lurker on all the epic cheater threads over the years: Kip Litton, Rossi, Robert Young, Dave Reading, Alex Viada, Parvaneh/Larry, and other minor ones. I usually start out willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but then turn when evidence accumulates.
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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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Derek caught him dead to rights. I had been HIGHLY skeptical of his times all along wondering what PEDs the dude was taking, but in the end it turned out he was just another course cutter. Doesn't matter the age, sex, professional or non-professional status; but all sport is chock full of cheaters looking for whatever measure of glory they need to try and fill the bottomless hole in their psyche.
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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [RandMart] [ In reply to ]
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RandMart wrote:
Sean H wrote:
well there goes my day lol


59 pages? There goes a couple of days

challenge accepted
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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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HuffNPuff wrote:
Derek caught him dead to rights.

False. The LR sleuths wrapped this up in a nice bow for Derek.
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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [bluemonkeytri] [ In reply to ]
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I just killed a few hours over on LR...

I'm surprised that more cheating like this hasn't happened - methodical planning, cross the mat whenever it is the right time, hop back in the car. I think it's interesting that more participants don't see something is up and say something.

Courses really do need a random split or two, camera, whatever, to help this issue. I think a random split would really do the trick. Maybe two back to back like 50 yards apart. That way you can't use the "it must have missed me" excuse.

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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [lessthaneight] [ In reply to ]
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i think it also comes down to people not reporting strange/unusual circumstances. i watched two people swap a bib at raleigh 70.3 a few years ago. they were slow, so i chalked it up under "don't really care" but i should have made some sort of report/inquiry. even just to establish a circumstance worth investigating should questions arise over that bib's result.
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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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GPS has hiccups and failures, but maybe start making timing chips with built in GPS. Then, if there's ever a discrepancy......just pull up the GPS track.

That wouldn't prevent chip/bib swaps, but you couldn't cut at that point.
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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]
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burnthesheep wrote:
GPS has hiccups and failures, but maybe start making timing chips with built in GPS. Then, if there's ever a discrepancy......just pull up the GPS track.

That wouldn't prevent chip/bib swaps, but you couldn't cut at that point.

But not so often that a single person should have repeated missed mats. Of course that's not the case with Mr. Meza, but in other high profile cheating cases it was one missed mat after another, or the same missed mat in the same race, different years.
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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [Sean H] [ In reply to ]
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Sean H wrote:
well there goes my day lol
Haha, mine too.

I liked this statement from a Frank supporter on page 2: "when you are a fast runner, the mats don't always pick up on the chips"
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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [mbwallis] [ In reply to ]
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mbwallis wrote:
Sean H wrote:
well there goes my day lol
Haha, mine too.

I liked this statement from a Frank supporter on page 2: "when you are a fast runner, the mats don't always pick up on the chips"

That is a true statement, if you can outrun radio waves all kinds of problems can happen...

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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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jkhayc wrote:
i think it also comes down to people not reporting strange/unusual circumstances. i watched two people swap a bib at raleigh 70.3 a few years ago. they were slow, so i chalked it up under "don't really care" but i should have made some sort of report/inquiry. even just to establish a circumstance worth investigating should questions arise over that bib's result.

Virginia Plain & I know of a mother/daughter team of serial bib swappers; they like to run together so if one gets shut out when the race fills up, they other will go online to buy her way in - even if there is no transfer policy. She says "I always take the chip out, so I don't mess up the results"

I forget whether it was here or someplace else where someone was in the corral, waiting for the start and overheard a dude telling his friend "there's a little loop at mile something, so we can cut across there" It was probably at Disney

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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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JasoninHalifax wrote:
mbwallis wrote:
Sean H wrote:
well there goes my day lol

Haha, mine too.

I liked this statement from a Frank supporter on page 2: "when you are a fast runner, the mats don't always pick up on the chips"


That is a true statement, if you can outrun radio waves all kinds of problems can happen...

hahaha best joke on this thread, so far...

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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [beachedbeluga] [ In reply to ]
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beachedbeluga wrote:
He can't have been cheating, he doesn't have double letters. /pink
I thought double letters was for doping?
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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [schroeder] [ In reply to ]
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schroeder wrote:
This guy appears to have become really good at hitting the mats at just the right time


Yeah, that took some planning
. RD's might need to start randomizing timing mat placement. I wonder if he used the timing mat placement from the previous year or if it's in the race info or if he drove the course before the race.

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Re: Anyone following the Frank Meza alleged cheating story? [Chan] [ In reply to ]
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Chan wrote:
beachedbeluga wrote:
He can't have been cheating, he doesn't have double letters. /pink

I thought double letters was for doping?

First isolated in 2015 with regards to course cutters [Litton, Rossi, Miller], in a thread about a bib-swapper

https://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ost=5755921#p5755921

It has since been used to ID course cutters, selfie-bandits, bib-swappers/mules/copiers

Dopers only occasionally fall into the protocol [in fact, I can't think of one off the top of my head who does]

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