me personally, im thinking there will be a disc model launched. it just makes sense with the way the market has shifted.

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Agreed - the list of speedmax options has shrunk so I'm also expecting a disc brake version. I almost bought a speedmax a few months ago, but it just didn't make sense to invest in rim brakes especially when my other road bike also has disc brakes so wheel compatibility is a big factor.

I ordered a Speedmax few weeks ago with quite some discount (10%) from a sale event here in Europe. After a fit I found out the size was a fraction too small so had it shipped back. Canyon told me to place a new order. Now expected delivery time has shifted to mid October.

Combination of the sale event and the extended waiting time for my new bike could very possibly mean a new version is getting introduced soon.

I believe around this time last year or maybe a bit later, I saw a vacancy on their website for an engineer to develop TT/Tri/Aero bikes and a while later also one for MTB/E-bikes so I suspect they've been working on something.

Canyon rep told me in Kona Oct. 2018 that we "wouldn't have to wait long" for a disc brake TT model. Yeah, well, >=1 year is a long time, IMHO.

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Canyon rep told me the exact opposite at kona last year lol. Said no disc brake tt on their horizon, that it's a unnecessary and slower

That's what he initially told me as well since he was trying to market the bike we were standing next to. But when I started pressing him he finally relented.

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so what your saying here is.

The sales guy just seems to tell you what you want to hear. He's good.

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I called Canyon USA & was told the same thing. They won't come out with a disc. Which is crap and an outright lie so they can just sell what inventory of rim brake versions they have. All their other bikes are pretty much disc in their lineup (but Aeroad CF SL 8.0 and the Speedmax). I personally don't blame them for tell you that, but at the same time I don't appreciate being lied to if they *know something* and just aren't allowed to let the cat out of the bag. Why not just say, "I have no information on any release date of a redesign that I'm aware of...and if I did, I would not be allowed to say." That sounds more open ended of an answer yet leaves them wiggle room to not outright say they are not going to do that.

Personally, if I were to lay down cash on a bike (once every 10 years), they'd lose my business, because I'd buy disc. If they don't have it together yet, or never would, then I would never buy a Canyon. Cervelo P5 disc would be my choice right now as of today.

yeah he was trying to talk me out of the new felt ia disc haha

Not good enough 'cause I didn't purchase anything. (But I clearly made him think I would. ;) )

100%. That's just how I see it.

Would you mind sharing why this would be your choice?

I'm looking for my next bike. It'll have disc brakes and & Di2. I'd prefer to purchase frame only and install my own parts, and I don't want to be limited to a propritary cockpit.

Oh, and it'll fit me. Once I have my list then I'll choose the frame that works with my fit measurements.

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I spoke with someone at Canyon France two days ago and they confirmed there won’t be a Speedmax Disc in 2020. I might be wrong but I still hope this is some weird commercial technique to get rid of the rim version stock...

Anyways they also said the 2020 lineup should be announced somewhere between mid-October and early-November (this is quite broad...)

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I gotta say that you echo many of my thoughts. I also have a P3 (2015) and although there are an increasing number of paint issues it does still work quite well. I'd love to have a beam bike because I enjoy the feel of them, but none yet fill the 'must haves' boxes.

I fully believe in the mental aspect of loving the beast below and that feeling silly, heavy, and/or slow will be reflected in reality: Felt, Specialized, and Trek are bikes that don't work for me on this level. While I kinda like the look of Diamondback I would feel heavy on climbs. I was never a QR fan but it and Cube have moved up the list of possibilities. I could possibly go for the new Cervélo P-series. Although the PX would check all the boxes for me, if I would spend that kind of money then a bit more would get me much more quality in a Pinarello Bolide TR (and a feel of lush-ness that I'd love for 8+ hour TT days: i.e. Ultraman training & day 2). Cube and Storck weren't even on my radar but they seem to offer a lot for much less price, thereby allowing for higher quality parts and wheels.

With all that said, I'll need to review the frames with a trusted fitter and pull out the ones that fit me (while also filling my asthetic desires ;) ).

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Maybe the disc version is a year away. Maybe they don't know when it comes out exactly. Or maybe they do need to sell out their old stock. Either way, I would have to guess that the reason is that they figure it's better to have a few online complaints like this than be a victim of the Osborne Effect.

And if they were to reply as you ask, then you (or someone like you) would just then complain about how you "don't appreciate them being evasive". People are going to complain regardless

(I saw a news story the other day about a hotel with a bunch of bad online reviews from people complaining about their stays there during a 4 year period during which it wasn't even open for business. )

a bit more solid than a rumour, BUT still a rumour till shown true; new Speedmax (disc) at Kona. You can guess the 3 who will be on it. Components wise it will be interesting as the Shimano fire really has dampened their quest to more tech improvements ala Sram with wireless. Thus current Shimano components or Sram Axs

The BIKE manufacturers do not want to go disk but that is where the industry is going and there's no stopping it now...if your bikes don't have disc you're considered yesterday's news

I own a 2014 P3 di2 Ultegra.

My next tri bike will be disk equipped (as my next road bike), for safety reasons (better braking in long downhill). And again di2 or e-tap (2x, too much high percentages for 1x).

Top of my list are now Cervelo P-Series (straight P3 replacement), Cube C68 TT, and QR PR5 (however, QR difficult to find in Europe).

Canyon should be in good position... when they will have a disk version.

Canyon is proposing good prices through direct sales AND low stock, so indeed Osborne effect is a big risk for them...
no doubt they will wait for their stock of rim TT bikes to be down, down, down......
then announce an immediately available disk version....
making last rim buyers possibly furious....
but their turnover and margin in good shape !

Do not expect early announcement from Canyon, IMO
Either you wait, blind, or you go elsewhere...

What are you thoughts regarding these two bikes?

As I wrote above, they, and Storck, weren't even on my radar until recently so I need to learn more about them.

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The bike exists. Its been around England under Dowsett as of late. Not sure he will ride it at the Worlds TT though b/c, discs.

Not much contact with the bikes, but they both look great, simple to use, fit and tune (like P3 and new P-Serie), good aero and reasonable weight, well equipped and well priced.

QR PR5 : many peoples use it in the US, so lot of feedback available on slow twitch. Not much distributed in Europe...
Cube C68 TT : just released. I liked the previous version, but it was quite heavy, apparently not the case with this one. I expect some other versions to come, with deeper wheels.

Then you should check the fit for you.

Also, like Canyon, Trek is still to announce a disk version of the speed concept ?

There is a strong possibility that you are overestimating the information flow between the development team and customer service. Especially customer service in the USA given the way the business is structured.

Modern bikes are a long time in development and there are a lot of moving parts that have to be coordinated to deliver on time. Often the wider business will only know 'there is a tri bike being worked on' and not much more.

Have you done your research? The Shiv Disc is not a heavy bike by todays integreated bike standards. Depending on Size and Build it is roughly 19.2lbs(8.7kg) with all of the accoutrements.

This is nearly as light at the Cervelo P5D which is UCI legal and well lighter than other brands disc models.

I am biased of course, but the weight was a priority on the new SHIV and while it may look heavy, it handles much better than a typical tri bike.

If *I* feel heavy or non-ero on the bike then I won't put out the watts or be as aero as I could be. Sure, the Shiv is relatively light, but, to me, it asthetically looks like planks of wood glued together.

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I haven’t managed to watch the TT WC - did Dowsett ride a disc version of the Speedmax?

Thanks!

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