It amazes me the number of people that join a forum to plug a product.

So the fact i do not sell asea and have a real personal testimonial isn't good enough?

(makes popcorn, gets ready to be entertained)

No it isn't, it is just anecdotal information. It is not any kind of study, all other factors have not been eliminated. As an example, I could say that riding on the trainer this winter caused me to loose over 2" off my waist. While the 2" is true, I also swam and ran indoors and I "think" it was more my swimming than anything else. Oh, I just remembered, I used Nuun with my water, it must have been that.

The point is, personal opinions / endorsements are only that, they are not in any way a scientific study or result which can necessarily be duplicated.

I'm a far bigger believer in the capacity of the human mind than these miracle cures. In other words, if you believe it, it doesn't really matter what the "it" is as long as you believe. Sorta like Religion but that's a different topic.

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I'm raising an eyebrow on this. And just one eyebrow.

What was the control group in the study, or was there one?

Were the participants blinded? Or for that matter, the researchers?

I'm relatively open-minded on this sort of thing, but just curious on the research.

Also, I interviewed a guy who says this stuff is basically useless:

"Are You Getting Scammed By Alkaline Water, Ionized Water, Magnetic Water, Oxygenated Water or Structured Water?"
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http://goo.gl/WVoev


Hope it helps,

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personal testimony is useless especially when it takes the place of well conducted research investigating the product.

I've got an unfortunate friend that is trying to sell this stuff. It is hard to convince intelligent, but not smart, people that there is more to science than science-y sounding sales pitches.

Where ever you have someone on line that can point out the short comings and nonsense of ASEA, you'll find a group of new users giving testimonials. I thought it was just paid surfers and bots, but I think the MLM nature has "entrepreneurs" doing the dirty work for free.

here is another assumption.
you have 2 posts here
you are a shill

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This was a double blind clinical trialhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6k4up4kwyA More clinical trials are being done.

i broke my foot years ago, stiffness and tenderness remained,and couldn't flex my toes. after strongest antibiotics and no results, x-rays showed what ever causing the drilling pain above my eye had damaged my sinuses. The pain went away but the area remained very sore and puffy. twisted and pulled my little finger, nothing I did improved it, just grew worse until i could hardly bend my finger. It also ached all the time, was very sore as well. Tried a bottle hoping to help my little finger. My finger improved some, but nothing to brag about, but the soreness above my eye went away...first time in years, and I was able to flex my toes. after I finished the bottle, I realized I'd been taking half the recommended dose. Now, I did look into Asea. There website tends to lead people to think their office bld is more than it is. They rent an office space in an office building. they share a receptionist with other businesses, and they were reported to the BBB regarding money, but the problem was resolved. The potential for making the first level millions via multilevel marketing is many times over what a pharmaceutical company would offer for a patent on a product that has very few if any studies that would be approved by the FDA. Under FDA guidlines, they would have to focus on specific diseases/problems, and develop very rigid protocols for use. Why a pharam co would be interested in shelving something so effective is rather mysterious, when it could get insurance companies to pay for it if the product had FDA approval....there would be no end to sales, and as time went on, more and more problems or diseases would be targeted using ASEA. EVeryone keeps saying a pharm co wanted to buy Asea out, but what pharmaceutical company was it? There were also other new MLM medcially focused products with offices in the same building. Utah must have some fairly flexible laws, and or tax system to draw so many MLM's. I wouldn't claim Asea doesn't work because it worked for me, but it is no doubt a money making machine for those who started ASEA. and at the same time get their research paid for by people using it...or enough validation to sell when the price is high enough. In the mean time, caution.

Wikipedia: Sometimes patients given a placebo treatment will have a perceived or actual improvement in a medical condition, a phenomenon commonly called the placebo effect.

Here you go...

This is from the App. State Website

http://ncrc.appstate.edu/research-focus

Scroll down and click on the 2nd video. Dr. Nieman played the Lance card.

Also, I find it interesting that on the "Research and Fitness News" tab, http://ncrc.appstate.edu/news-media, there is no of this ASEA water. Nor any mention of 'metabolite boosters'.

I would think that if this product were legit and under the study of this university that there would be something about it. So, I did a search on their site: http://ncrc.appstate.edu/...nd-upcoming-research

2 hits for ASEA. No links, abstracts, or descriptions. There are just as many "[Fruit] versus Gatorade" studies.

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Take a short break from ST and read my blog:
http://tri-banter.blogspot.com/

I've literally skimmed over this just now, but basically they're saying oxidants are good? I thought we were meant to get rid of oxidants/free radicals
It sounds like the exact opposite of green tea to me

Sorry, didn't intend to reply to your post, just wanted to post...

My assessment is ASEA it is a scam, otherwise they wouldn't need that horrible, complicated, no-money making scheme to sell it. The sellers would be able to make money simply by selling the product, but not so, they make almost nothing,,,, unless they go out and get hundreds of people to work for them and then put them in different groups,, it is a mess. No legitimate product would need that BS to be able to make money. The only way it makes money is by the people who sell it, using it! Literally the seller HAS to buy it and use it. What a scheme.

By the way, I did an ASEA review search, had to go ten pages to get past all the hype created by people who have barely used it. If only we humans would use our craziness for good.

i've been away too long.

stuff like this provides great entertainment.

if people lack enough substance to buy it then by all means.

smart buying habits Americans are not necessarily known for.

you'd better laugh all the way to the bank and then i hope you can look straight into the mirror in the morning.

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The patent referenced on the ASEA website is here:

http://www.google.com/patents/US6117285

It actually seems that what they are doing is electrolysis to salt water which would produce some oxidative species like chlorine, hydrogen peroxide, ozone, etc. The patent goes on to say you could use this water to disinfect medical instruments.

You can actually buy one of these systems for your swimming pool that plugs into wall outlet so that the pool makes its own chlorine and you don't have to add any.

Effectively your drinking pool water. I could imagine that would have some big effects on isolated cells (like they show in the non-peer reviewed research articles). Also explains why the seals out light because UV will neutralize H2O2 and Cl2.

Now whether drinking pool water is a good thing for sport performance seems like a huge gap in the research. That one Appalachia state test which showed that metabolite levels changed is almost scary because who's to say that's a good thing (although that study doesn't look published in any peer-reviewed journal yet).

Personally I drink enough pool water as is and don't need to pay any money for it.

Reading this thread has caused a lot of stagnant energy to build up in my brain.

Which peer-reviewed journal will this be appearing in? Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't dare question the impact factor of YouTube, but I'd imagine that such groundbreaking research will find its way to a top-tier journal soon, won't it?

http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/26/1_MeetingAbstracts/lb713?sid=c4261da1-f8d2-4932-94a0-ca395b0d1d8e

I think the smoking gun here is the multi-level marketing. MLM products have a long history of relying on personality based sales and usually have products that range from dubious (Advocare) to mediocre (Avon). Rarely are truly effective products sold through this method because it is really an inefficient way to get to the market....unless the salespeople ARE the market. *this is a hint*

Retailers know their shelf space is limited and expensive. They demand products that sell, and those products are usually those that are proven effective. In today's data rich environments, it doesn't take long for an effective product to come to the front of the market. ....and it doesn't take long to find out those products that aren't.

There's a saying that you can't know more than an efficient market. Lots of people have lost their ass trying.

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Yeah, kinda what I thought. My specialty has journals like that too. It's also a meeting abstract, not a publication.


Also, if this is your "landmark study," showing absolutely no performance benefit to consuming ASEA water (good job, though, picking out the biomarkers after the fact and overhyping their significance--it's a common practice after a study falls on its face), I'm thinking your magical tonic won't be long for this world.

to depressed, as far as the bracelets that you ridiculed and the oxygen products, maybe you should do some research on them because they work, better yet why don't you try them when you get sick instead of taking a pill you might be surprised.

You know what works? The placebo effect. Unless you have some double blind studies showing that garbage is better than placebo you've got nothing. There really is a sucker born every minute it seems.

 

Vix,

Next time you get sick, you should try marinating a bull penis in red wine vinegar and eucalyptus, freezing it, then cramming it up your ass for 12 hours. You might just be surprised...

Holy sh+t that's the funniest thing I've read all week! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!