sorry bobby, but inasmuch as they decided to go our direction on geometry (among other things) with the P5, we're pretty sure we got it right the first time. maybe you can be Boardman buddies with Nick_Barkley? your A7's will roll just as fast regardless :-)

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Carl Matson

the ti clm296 looks like the frame alex zuelle road to TdF 1996 prologue victory in s'hertogenbosch (spelling?)

just like the last bike, a 1-1/8" false steerer accessory aka "steer stub" will be available to let you run whatever standard stem and bar setup you want. it's 55mm tall, so your stack adjustment capability will depend on the length of your stem clamp. no aero spacers to go on the stub...in part because we can't account for every possible stem shape you might put on there, and because there's no way to put a good tail on the spacers that wouldn't interfere with either the frame features behind the headtube or the speedbox accessory.

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Carl Matson

any word on the new SC7?

 


simplification for publishing purposes.


this is, I believe, what TomA was trying to get at over in the P5 data thread as well. we agree that calling out an average value, time-weighted or otherwise, isn't necessarily the best way to go about things, but it does seem to resonate with more people than not...right now...until everyone gets up to the TomA/Epic-o/everyotherSTaeroguru level


indeed, there is some asymmetry, and in our custom race simulation software (team only) we incorporate it...both the real world and tunnel asymmetry. an extreme example of justifying tube shape/orientation decisions on the basis of that asymmetry might be the QR CD0.1 and Illicito. of course, then you have to explain away how bad the performance is when the wind is coming from the other side...

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Carl Matson

Is there any chance you will be offering Ultegra Di2 this Fall? Seems like a big price gap between 9.5 and 9.9 to get into electronic.

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you know, when I threw Epic-o's question over the fence to my aero guy Paul I got back almost the same answer. great minds and all that...

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Carl Matson

afraid not

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Carl Matson

or simply operate at yaw angles experienced by far fewer people than you might think (or wish)...to turn a phrase from earlier in this thread ;-)

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Carl Matson

refreshing, isn't it? and naming names too...what's the world coming to?

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Carl Matson

as of right now...no.

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Carl Matson

If you read the chart where the SC is generally faster it was done at A2 with the bars normalized to the SHIV tri. This resulted in bars/spacers/pads that likely slowed the bike down since the stack of the SHIV is so freaking tall. Only take away I can see is that P5 is really fast (supposedly faster with rider on) and that the spacers used on the SC are a more aero solution than that of the P5. Truth is you can't really go wrong with either bike. Pick your weapon based on the most likely courses you'll be seeing. For myself, most every race I do is early, not very windy and generally over 25mph unless it is really hilly.

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Couldn't say (even if I knew)...if this post is any indication, "Fall" is the timeframe for that group though.

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Carl Matson

Ha ha! Mine would small and red if I was about to order one I'm afraid

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Sigh. Guess I need to start saving my pennies and research the values for my 2011 SC 9.8
I guess Trek is going to get some more of my $$$.

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I went with the red.

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Carl,

It does not appear that the new speed concept includes the integrated chain catcher that is on the Madone and Domane. Is there a reason for this, shaping in that area?

This isn't in reply in particular to you, Gman, but to anyone:

I'm hopefully going to get to play with one this week. Probably wont ride it too much, since its a medium and I'm a large. But, if anyone wants any questions answered/pictures taken/etc, let me know! If they are particularly technical questions, just give me the question and how to measure/gauge/quantify/whatever your answer. Sound good?

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I didn't mean what I said as a slight. I am MASSIVELY impressed that the whitepaper just gives it as it is.

Honesty here wins huge points in Trek's favor here for me, no matter what the data itself indicates. My region is very hilly so most of this means naught to me, but the weight savings are nice.

I was a longtime rider of a Trek Aluminum roadie. And I certainly will be buying a new bike next year. Trek just made a ginormous leap over Specialized on my list.

you could just read about it...

http://www.slowtwitch.com/...t_Makeover_3766.html

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Carl, just wanted to say hell of a job. Just got our test unit and am really very impressed. The aerobars are such a departure, all good changes. As for the frame, I'll have to get back to you when I get some miles on it. Will have a few specific questions I'd like to ping you later, but going to ride it tomorrow morning.... quite jazzed, and I have a high threshhold for that.

Well done to all y'all. And tell Royce and Michael the Project One colors are electric. Dig it. If I can get signed up, I think I may race it at Solana Beach Tri next weekend, give it a local debut test... it won't be hard to spot.

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hi Carl , cool bike.

i've been staring at the Di2 model in Dan's review. where's the battery mounted? is it under that bb fairing/wing ala the Felt DA?

They have integrated the internal battery into the seat tube.