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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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What was the final time / avg pace? Amazing accomplishment.


Acc to the tracker, she swam 169.6 km (105.4 mi) in 67:15, or about 2.52 km/hr (1.57mph). Her total time includes time for refueling every 30 min or so. In her Oct 2016 swim where she set the previous WR, she went 81.8 mi in 56:05 (1.46 mph) but I believe she had more problems with a head wind in that swim. Acc to the USMS article I mentioned earlier, she almost gave up at 30 hr b/c she had only gone about 40 mi, and hence had more than 40 to go. Also, here's the link to the ST thread on that swim from last October; Sarah herself (Ssthomas) actually chimed in several times.http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...im_P6098843/?page=-1[/quote[/url]]

Crazy. That's 2:10/100yd for 106 miles.
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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ericmulk wrote:
Mike Alexander wrote:
What was the final time / avg pace? Amazing accomplishment.


Acc to the tracker, she swam 169.6 km (105.4 mi) in 67:15, or about 2.52 km/hr (1.57mph). Her total time includes time for refueling every 30 min or so. In her Oct 2016 swim where she set the previous WR, she went 81.8 mi in 56:05 (1.46 mph) but I believe she had more problems with a head wind in that swim. Acc to the USMS article I mentioned earlier, she almost gave up at 30 hr b/c she had only gone about 40 mi, and hence had more than 40 to go. Also, here's the link to the ST thread on that swim from last October; Sarah herself (Ssthomas) actually chimed in several times.http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...im_P6098843/?page=-1[/quote[/url]]

Crazy. That's 2:10/100yd for 106 miles.

And the 2:10 includes time for refueling, etc. I would think her actual average pace while swimming was around 2:00/100 yd but what I'd really like to know is what pace she started at and then how her pace varied over the 67.25 hrs. I would guess she started at around 1:30/100 yd. Maybe Sarah will remember us and chime in as she did last Oct.


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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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And the 2:10 includes time for refueling, etc. I would think her actual average pace while swimming was around 2:00/100 yd but what I'd really like to know is what pace she started at and then how her pace varied over the 67.25 hrs. I would guess she started at around 1:30/100 yd. Maybe Sarah will remember us and chime in as she did last Oct.


The screenshot of her tracker below shows she slowed down over time. I watched the live stream of her climbing out of the water at the end. I was impressed that she was so functional. I would have been impressed if she flopped onto shore, but no, she just walked on out like it was no problem and went and sat down and rested.



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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [SLOgoing] [ In reply to ]
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ericmulk wrote:
And the 2:10 includes time for refueling, etc. I would think her actual average pace while swimming was around 2:00/100 yd but what I'd really like to know is what pace she started at and then how her pace varied over the 67.25 hrs. I would guess she started at around 1:30/100 yd. Maybe Sarah will remember us and chime in as she did last Oct.


The screenshot of her tracker below shows she slowed down over time. I watched the live stream of her climbing out of the water at the end. I was impressed that she was so functional. I would have been impressed if she flopped onto shore, but no, she just walked on out like it was no problem and went and sat down and rested.


It is hard to make out the numbers on the y axis but I'm guessing the lowest number is 0.0, then 0.5, 1.0, 1.5, and 2.0??? Given the lack of any current in this lake, it seems odd that her speed varies so much. Assuming i'm guessing the y axis correctly, looks like she starts out around 1.3, then 1.8, 1.7, 1.8, etc, then jumps up to 2.3, 2.0, 2.3. Don't know, maybe she stopped a few times getting her cap, goggles, and/or suit positioned just right. Would be very interesting to hear her take on all this but I guess she's prob still sleeping right now.


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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [damn lucky] [ In reply to ]
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Hi! We don't allow "streamers" like what you're describing with the fishing line. It would have been nice, for sure, but it falls outside of the standard open water swimming rules to follow something attached to the boat that can guide you. Typically, there is a kayaker next to me and I let him lead by sighting off of him. Though, on my second night, we faced a 20 knot tailwind and it wasn't safe for the kayak to stay next to me, so the pontoon boat went ahead about 50 meters and I sighted off of the boat lights all night.

Also, the white desitin only acts as sunblock. There's no other benefit to it. I use lanolin to prevent chaffing.
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [dyarab] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, I sight off of a kayak or boat most of the time.
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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The speed variations were mostly due to wind. And me getting really tired over time and slowly slowing down. We started in calm weather conditions, got a slight push during the first day, and then had a headwind most of the first night. Day 2 started with a great tailwind, but I completed my loop around 2:30 pm and had to turn back into it. We had a pretty solid headwind then from about 2:30 until 9 pm, when it started to calm. Around 11 pm we picked up a slight tailwind, which grew to a 20 knot tailwind from about 3 am to 5 am. I was flying down the lake! It slowed a little with daylight, but I did have a tailwind wind until about 2:30 pm on the third day. Then, it flipped on me again. It wasn't horrible, but I was pretty tired at that poit and a headwind takes a lot out of you. Luckily, it calmed as darkness came and the final several hours of swimming it was smooth as glass. Too bad I was too tired to take advantage of the conditions!

All in all, we got super lucky on the weather. We had some rain, but no storms and the wind was manageable.

I saw someone else say that I probably had a team advising me when to swim. I wish! We only had the boat rentals from Monday-Thursday, so it was swim then or not at all. I don't have sponsors or any other financial support other than my own wallet- so we don't have the advantage of waiting for perfection. So, I know I was dang lucky on the weather this time!

Also, for what it's worth, I did my best time for a 50 mile swim and was about 6 hours faster at 80 miles than I was on Lake Powell.
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [Ssthomas] [ In reply to ]
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Amazing swim. Very gutsy effort.
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [monty] [ In reply to ]
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There are pros and cons to fresh water vs ocean... I live in Colorado, so it makes sense from me to do these long swims in lakes because that's what I have to train in. I have several ocean swimmer friends who would never try this in a lake because they perceive lakes to be a more challenging environment.
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [abouheif] [ In reply to ]
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This is half true, half false.

True that GPS distances don't count, and true that a DNF cannot be a record.

However, since Sarah has already swum more than 80 miles (the previous record, also owned by her), and because of the shape of Lake Champlain, she could choose to turn in toward land at any time, exit the water, and finish the swim. This would not be a DNF, but rather, a route change. Therefore, if she turned in now, exited the water at a specific, definable point, it would be a new distance record, even if she didn't make it all the way back to the start.[/quote]
This is 100% correct. We had a few landing spots selected, just in case. But, once I hit 80 miles and was fine, there was no way I was giving up the last 24! :-)
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [Ssthomas] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, I sight off of a kayak or boat most of the time.

Thanks... and congratulations! Amazing achievement.
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [happyscientist] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, Lake Champlain can get some rough chop, but at least there won't be jellyfish to worry about.[/quote]
No jellyfish, but huge lamprey live there. And they don't just bump and move on.... they latch on. My husband said I swam through a swarm of them that were nearly as think as his arm. I might have died if they'd attached. Especially in the dark.
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [SLOgoing] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for finding me and following along! :-)
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [Ssthomas] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for finding me and following along! :-)

Wow! Now I'm famous because you commented to me!

I got wind of it through my OWS group when you first launched. Gotta admit, we were kinda obsessed with your progress for a few days. I watched the live stream of your exit too. Most awesome!

I swim in the ocean and our local lakes are tiny. Those critters that latch on sound terrifying.

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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [Ssthomas] [ In reply to ]
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This is just such an amazingly cool feat and I think it really resonates with me because it is so relatable. Usually, when you see someone do something that seems super-human, like run a 2:03 marathon or free climb some insane cliff or mountain bike across wild terrain, it's neat but just in a purely observatory way. I couldn't even approach any of those things. I can't hold 2:03 marathon pace for anything more than a short sprint and can't even contemplate many of the other extreme things we see on YouTube. However, even though I am a really crappy swimmer, I can swim 2:00 100s and know how that feels. In fact, I can do a whole workout of them or hold that pace or near it in an OWS race. So that makes it so much more real (and seemingly impossible) to contemplate holding that pace for 66 hours straight. Just absolutely amazing. To do it in cool water with just a bathing suit just adds to the wonder.
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [Ssthomas] [ In reply to ]
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The speed variations were mostly due to wind. And me getting really tired over time and slowly slowing down. We started in calm weather conditions, got a slight push during the first day, and then had a headwind most of the first night. Day 2 started with a great tailwind, but I completed my loop around 2:30 pm and had to turn back into it. We had a pretty solid headwind then from about 2:30 until 9 pm, when it started to calm. Around 11 pm we picked up a slight tailwind, which grew to a 20 knot tailwind from about 3 am to 5 am. I was flying down the lake! It slowed a little with daylight, but I did have a tailwind wind until about 2:30 pm on the third day. Then, it flipped on me again. It wasn't horrible, but I was pretty tired at that poit and a headwind takes a lot out of you. Luckily, it calmed as darkness came and the final several hours of swimming it was smooth as glass. Too bad I was too tired to take advantage of the conditions!
All in all, we got super lucky on the weather. We had some rain, but no storms and the wind was manageable.
I saw someone else say that I probably had a team advising me when to swim. I wish! We only had the boat rentals from Monday-Thursday, so it was swim then or not at all. I don't have sponsors or any other financial support other than my own wallet- so we don't have the advantage of waiting for perfection. So, I know I was dang lucky on the weather this time!
Also, for what it's worth, I did my best time for a 50 mile swim and was about 6 hours faster at 80 miles than I was on Lake Powell.


Wind...wow, i did not even realize that the wind could slow you down that much in the water. I've swum against/with the current in the ocean many times but no experience swimming against/with the wind. I have ridden a bike against/with the the wind but did not realize the wind had such a big impact in the water.

So, just out of sheer curiosity, if you had been doing this swim in a 25-yd pool, what pace would you have started at vs finished at??? I know 104 miles in most pools would be too hot but let's just imagine a pool with a nice constant 70 degrees. I am especially curious about the starting pace b/c from my own experience I know that each day i start at a given warm-up pace that seems natural on that day, and it is pretty hard to swim slower than that pace; thus it would seem that it would be hard to start out at a really slow pace, but rather you just inevitably wear out over the course of many miles and slow down. Is that your experience in these super long swims???

In any case, that was a phenomenal swim you did!!! I've done the 10K in the pool a few times but 104 miles is 17 times that, which is pretty inconceivable to me!!!

ETA: Also, how many hours did you sleep afterwards, maybe 24 hr straight??? Did you fall asleep while riding in the car to your house or hotel???


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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [Ssthomas] [ In reply to ]
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Congrats on an astounding accomplishment!
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Yeah, Lake Champlain can get some rough chop, but at least there won't be jellyfish to worry about.

No jellyfish, but huge lamprey live there. And they don't just bump and move on.... they latch on. My husband said I swam through a swarm of them that were nearly as think as his arm. I might have died if they'd attached. Especially in the dark.[/quote]That sounds like the stuff of nightmares.

Congratulations on an astounding accomplishment!
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [Ssthomas] [ In reply to ]
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Spectacular accomplishment! Congrats!

Re: lampreys...I've been swimming in the lake for ...quite some time... and have never heard of one attaching to a human. Not even urban (or rural?) myths about it around here. Google says they don't like warm blooded animals so maybe that could be it. Leeches on the other hand...those I've gotten plenty of when hanging out in shallow water with a mucky bottom. They wouldn't attach to a lightning fast swimmer such as yourself, though!

The chop here is real. Depending on the wind direction it's short and steep, not at all like the ocean swell. I've sailed in 6+ foot waves here too but that was with gusts in the 40 knot range. Fortunately you didn't get any of that weather.

Once again, congrats on the feat!
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [Ssthomas] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, Lake Champlain can get some rough chop, but at least there won't be jellyfish to worry about.


No jellyfish, but huge lamprey live there. And they don't just bump and move on.... they latch on. My husband said I swam through a swarm of them that were nearly as think as his arm. I might have died if they'd attached. Especially in the dark.[/quote]
What about Champy? You can't forget about Champy! :) (Imaginary Loch Ness-esque monster of Lake Champlain)

I saw that you finished up in my hometown (shout out to Rouses Point!). Well done!
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [SailorSam] [ In reply to ]
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I actually have several friends who have had lampreys attach to them! We did do some research and learned that it is rare and that the lamprey population is down, but it is totally possible to have one attach. Twist and pull, according to a friend! Here she is with one she pulled off.

And we had a few hours of a tailwind that was so strong that we did have 4-5ft waves. We were really lucky it was coming from behind or else we would have had a few swamped boats. It only lasted about 2 hours and then calmed back down. It was fun for me, scary for my team. But, overall, we totally lucked out on weather. Not sure it could have been any better.

Such a beautiful lake!


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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [Ssthomas] [ In reply to ]
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What kind of food are you consuming during the swim?
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [Ssthomas] [ In reply to ]
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Ssthomas wrote:
I actually have several friends who have had lampreys attach to them! We did do some research and learned that it is rare and that the lamprey population is down, but it is totally possible to have one attach. Twist and pull, according to a friend! Here she is with one she pulled off.


Good to know; useful things I learn from Slowtwitch ;-)

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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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Given the lack of any current in this lake, it seems odd that her speed varies so much. Assuming i'm guessing the y axis correctly, looks like she starts out around 1.3, then 1.8, 1.7, 1.8, etc, then jumps up to 2.3, 2.0, 2.3.
It's not super-consistent like a river, but there are surface currents in Champlain, generally south to north. It comes from the prevailing S-N wind, and also because the primary outflow (Richelieu River) is at the far northern end. (Source: I paddled on Champlain for most of the 90s when I lived in Burlington).

Possibly this is one reason for the loop course.
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Re: 100 Mile OWS Underway [abouheif] [ In reply to ]
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ericmulk wrote:
Given the lack of any current in this lake, it seems odd that her speed varies so much. Assuming i'm guessing the y axis correctly, looks like she starts out around 1.3, then 1.8, 1.7, 1.8, etc, then jumps up to 2.3, 2.0, 2.3.
It's not super-consistent like a river, but there are surface currents in Champlain, generally south to north. It comes from the prevailing S-N wind, and also because the primary outflow (Richelieu River) is at the far northern end. (Source: I paddled on Champlain for most of the 90s when I lived in Burlington).

Possibly this is one reason for the loop course.


It was the biggest reason for the loop course! I wanted to swim from Whitehall to Rouses Point, since that was the full length of the lake and the direction of the wind. But, as we did our research, we saw the info about the surface currents. Since I didn't want this swim to be bumped into a current assisted category (like Diana Nyad's Cuba swim or any swim down a river), we figured that a loop course would negate any advantage from current, and I'd just have to fight the wind. It is why we started in the north, swam south and then back up- we were hoping the back half would be a little easier (it wasn't necessarily easier in the end- it did take 7 hours longer to swim back than out...).
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