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"Single-use" overtraining?
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[I posted this in the LR but vitus979 recommended I post in the Main Room]

Anyone get overtraining agitation from just a few sessions (or even one huge session) of training?

I really wiped myself out yesterday on a training but I'm not 'tired' - I'm hyper. Very agitated. Energetic, seeming almost manic. But can't think past a few minutes at a time. Didn't sleep well last night. (But relatively joyful).

This is WEIRD. Thoughts?

Lauren

PS: yes, I know the symptoms of overtraining but the 'hyper' and 'energetic' don't fit the overtraining criteria, and this isn't a chronic issue. Decided not to even cross-train today because I set a PR yesterday and need the rest!



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Re: "Single-use" overtraining? [Fitnesscoach] [ In reply to ]
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this is actually common in high intensity workouts done later in the evening or long, hard efforts. it is an acute symptom that can or can not be part of chronic overtraining. (I'd argue that it is very hard for the majority of athletes to induce physiological overtraining but much more easy to induce psychological overtraining)

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Re: "Single-use" overtraining? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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"I'd argue that it is very hard for the majority of athletes to induce physiological overtraining but much more easy to induce psychological overtraining"

Can you discuss this more? (I'm right now researching sympathetic vs parasympathetic overtraining for someone else -- are you discussing this?)

Thanks,
Lauren



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Lauren Muney
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There is no escape from your life... solve the problems and get on with it.

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Re: "Single-use" overtraining? [Fitnesscoach] [ In reply to ]
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You just had a hard day of training and your body's dealing with it. Probably a fair amount of cortisol involved. Nothing more.

You're a coach. Shouldn't you already know this?
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Re: "Single-use" overtraining? [Fitnesscoach] [ In reply to ]
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What's the sympathetic vs parasympathetic research thing and what does overtraining have to do with it?
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Re: "Single-use" overtraining? [jhendric] [ In reply to ]
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"You're a coach. Shouldn't you already know this?"

Physician, heal thyself, you are saying :) :
Everything's easier on the outside :) Sure I should know it, but brain farts happen. That's why I asked y'all :)

(Besides, I've never been excitedly agitated before. Exhausted, yes. bound to the floor by gravity, sure. Everything aching, definitely... but not what I'm feeling now.)



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Lauren Muney
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There is no escape from your life... solve the problems and get on with it.

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"I'm moving [Lauren] to guru status" ~Last Tri in 83
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Re: "Single-use" overtraining? [Superman] [ In reply to ]
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"What's the sympathetic vs parasympathetic research thing and what does overtraining have to do with it?"

Overtraining can be either parasympathetic or sympathetic. I started researching re: another matter. I simply perked up when DesertDude mentioned psychological overtraining vs physiological.

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[ http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/news/2002/misc/11_coaching_overtraining.html] and [ http://www.nvo.com/sportquestdir/otst/ ]

Sympathetic Overtraining
* Increased Resting HR
* Decreased HR recovery post exercise
* Weight loss
* Loss of appetite
* Disturbed sleep
* Emotional instability

"Sympathetic overtraining or “basedowoid”, is the result of over-excitation of over-stressing the emotional processes. The term was borrowed from the Basedow disease, characterized by an increased metabolic rate (physical and chemical processes of the body), accelerated heart rate, sweating, nervous symptoms, irritability, restlessness, and psychic disturbances. This type of overtraining occurs mostly as a result of overemphasizing high intensity stimuli in training and the powers of concentration." "Sympathetic overtraining is where the body speeds up its functioning and consumes more energy, commonly occurring amongst anaerobic athletes and high intensity training more so in younger athletes (Bompa, 1999)."

Parasympathetic Overtraining
* Low resting HR
* Rapid return of HR post exercise
* Low blood pressure
* Digestive disturbance
* Anaemia
* Emotional instability
* Depression

"The second type of overtraining, parasympathetic, or “addisionoid”, results in an increase of inhibition processes and is the result of an excessively high volume of training. Once again the term is borrowed from the Addison disease, characterized by progressive anemia, low blood pressure, and digestive disturbances."



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Lauren Muney
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certified health coach
wellcoach
http://www.physicalmind.com

There is no escape from your life... solve the problems and get on with it.

"Just tell her you love her and you think she kicks ass" ~AndrewinNH

"I'm moving [Lauren] to guru status" ~Last Tri in 83
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Re: "Single-use" overtraining? [Fitnesscoach] [ In reply to ]
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Doesn't Addison's Disease have to do with low levels of cortisol? Seems the opposite of what one would expect from overtraining (not saying it's inaccurate, just surprising).
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Re: "Single-use" overtraining? [jhendric] [ In reply to ]
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"Doesn't Addison's Disease have to do with low levels of cortisol? Seems the opposite of what one would expect from overtraining (not saying it's inaccurate, just surprising)."

Yes, but sometimes you might have to seek the cause: Addison's disease can come from adrenal insufficiency from 'burnout', possibly from "burning the candle at all ends" for far too long. My education discussed this once, mostly as a reason to coach people to learn how to control stress (ie: cortisol running like a faucet in the body) because such hormone imbalances would have a detrimental effect later. However, this website doesn't mention that: http://endocrine.niddk.nih.gov/pubs/addison/addison.htm

That being said, I did just read how the sympathetic/parasympathetic changeover happens:

[ http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/training/what_you_dont_know_overtraining.htm ]

"Given the high volume of training that endurance athletes perform, the idea of these athletes often showing signs reflecting an “exhaustion of the autonomic nervous system” (i.e. addisinoid or parasympathetic overtraining) seems understandable (6,9). In other words, sympathetic overtraining occurs when the body is reacting to stress inappropriately by increasing the activity of the stress system (sympathetic). However, once this system “burns out”, the sympathetic nervous system decreases in activity and the parasympathetic system dominates. ..."

(Author:
Tammy Thomas is a registered dietitian, a certified strength and conditioning specialist (CSCS), and has earned a Master's degree in Exercise Science focusing on Nutritional and Exercise Biochemistry. Currently she does training and nutrition writing and consulting for individuals with rheumatoid arthritis and other autoimmune diseases. )



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Lauren Muney
certified physical fitness trainer
certified health coach
wellcoach
http://www.physicalmind.com

There is no escape from your life... solve the problems and get on with it.

"Just tell her you love her and you think she kicks ass" ~AndrewinNH

"I'm moving [Lauren] to guru status" ~Last Tri in 83
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