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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [uberslug] [ In reply to ]
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uberslug wrote:
Tom A. wrote:
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Tom A. wrote:
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Canadian wrote:
I'm currently using and Adamo Race but it's a little wide.


I told you...move it back further. Seriously.

It's not too wide, you're sitting on it too far back...

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I followed that advice until I was barely sitting on the saddle (would fall off of the front when I hit a bump in the road) and it was still too wide. Ordered up a VFlow Max and all the chafing went away.


I find that somewhat surprising since the width across where you should actually sit on both of those saddles is basically identical...


I think it has more to do with the firmness of the Adamo at the outside edges which make the chamois chafe against the insides of my thighs. The VFlow Max is a lot cushier so I think I 'sink' into it more and don't spend as much time sliding and bouncing around.

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Aaah...I see...perhaps the better corollary to the Vmax Plus is the Adamo Road?


I use the Plus on my road bike. It is actually a great deal more flexible than the VFlow Max so it is a bit disconcerting at first when the pavement undulation frequency matches the cadence. Once I got used to the flexibility I have found it very easy to 'wedge' myself in and spin up climbs (something I could never do before due to a saddle that was a bit too high and too far back). Overall I am very impressed with the Cobb saddles I have tried to date.

Now back to the original point of the thread, Flo Wheels... Are the front wheels still going to have 20 spokes?

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Doh! I meant to write "VFlow Max"...sorry...

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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [Baggieboz] [ In reply to ]
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Just wished u made them in 650's. Good luck lads, you guys are going to rock!!!

I know it's too expensive now but the more clamor you hear maybe the more likely you are to make 650c's in the future.




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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [Canadian] [ In reply to ]
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Our main goal was to produce high quality, leading edge aerodynamic wheels at a great price. We are not in the business of "copying" other peoples designs. That didn't feel right to us. We wanted to develop our own shapes and produce a product that we could be proud of. I think our aero data and our pricepoints are a good indication that we will accomplish our goals.

Take care,

Bravo Chris!!!
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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [uberslug] [ In reply to ]
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uberslug wrote:

Now back to the original point of the thread, Flo Wheels... Are the front wheels still going to have 20 spokes?

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Yes. The front wheels will still have 20 spokes (radially laced).

Take care,


Chris Thornham
Co-Founder And Previous Owner Of FLO Cycling
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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [Jiowa] [ In reply to ]
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Jiowa wrote:
Baggieboz wrote:
Just wished u made them in 650's. Good luck lads, you guys are going to rock!!!


I know it's too expensive now but the more clamor you hear maybe the more likely you are to make 650c's in the future.

Haha!


Chris Thornham
Co-Founder And Previous Owner Of FLO Cycling
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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [SilverTriGuy] [ In reply to ]
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SilverTriGuy wrote:
Canadian wrote:


Our main goal was to produce high quality, leading edge aerodynamic wheels at a great price. We are not in the business of "copying" other peoples designs. That didn't feel right to us. We wanted to develop our own shapes and produce a product that we could be proud of. I think our aero data and our pricepoints are a good indication that we will accomplish our goals.

Take care,


Bravo Chris!!!


Thank you. I'm glad you agree.


Chris Thornham
Co-Founder And Previous Owner Of FLO Cycling
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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [Canadian] [ In reply to ]
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Hey, any update on the release date of the wheels?
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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [edrusk] [ In reply to ]
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edrusk wrote:
Hey, any update on the release date of the wheels?

We are currently finalizing design drawings with the new factory. We are developing a new and improved way (nothing crazy or odd) of bonding aluminum to carbon with the factory. We are hoping to have all details finalized in the next week or so. After that, we cut all of our molds, get a quick sample and then order our stock. If all goes as planned we should be shooting for early next season to have wheels in stock.

I've got a blog article written to explain what happened with our first factory AND that highlights the improvements we will gain by being patient and starting over with the new factory. I'm holding off on posting the article until I actually ink the deal with our new factory. Partially for superstition and partially because that seems like the right thing to do.

Keep an eye on our blog or sign up for our newsletter if you are interested in reading the story.

Thanks for your continued patience. The quality of our new wheels will far surpass that of our first edition prototype wheels. The wait will pay off for those who have been patient.

We are so excited about the new wheels.

Take care,


Chris Thornham
Co-Founder And Previous Owner Of FLO Cycling
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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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So, Tom, are you using the Max on your road bike, or am I misreading? I've been on an old Blackwell Flow, but would like more relief when in the drops, without having to slide all the way back. The Plus would be good, but if the Max isn't too wide in the nose, that might be better.

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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [docfuel] [ In reply to ]
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docfuel wrote:
So, Tom, are you using the Max on your road bike, or am I misreading? I've been on an old Blackwell Flow, but would like more relief when in the drops, without having to slide all the way back. The Plus would be good, but if the Max isn't too wide in the nose, that might be better.

No. I use an Adamo Road on both road bike and TT bike.

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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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I have one and find it comfortable on my tri bike for anything HIM or less. When on the horns, I don't care much for it. I spend as little time in that position as possible.

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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [Canadian] [ In reply to ]
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Off topic...what search spider do you use to pick up mentions of your product?

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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [Nate Pearson] [ In reply to ]
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Off topic...what search spider do you use to pick up mentions of your product?

There are a list of things that we do. Here they are...

1. We have a Google notifier/spider. I'm sorry I forget the name. My brother runs it.
2. I use the search function on many forums regularly.
3. We get a steady stream of emails and sign ups. However, when we get more than usual... I know to start looking around.
4. Finally, we've got some pretty loyal followers who will often send us a "hey they are talking about you here" email.

Hopefully that helps,


Chris Thornham
Co-Founder And Previous Owner Of FLO Cycling
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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [Nate Pearson] [ In reply to ]
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Nate Pearson wrote:
Off topic...what search spider do you use to pick up mentions of your product?

Just got off the phone with my brother. It's called Google Alerts.

Take care,


Chris Thornham
Co-Founder And Previous Owner Of FLO Cycling
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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [Canadian] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone know what the spoke count is going to be for the rear 90?
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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [JPDMD25] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone know what the spoke count is going to be for the rear 90?

Standard rear FLO 60, 90, DISC, and CLIMBER wheels will have 24 spokes. Clydesdale options in all of the above wheels will have 28.


Chris Thornham
Co-Founder And Previous Owner Of FLO Cycling
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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [Canadian] [ In reply to ]
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hey Chris, I was wondering if you guys have mentioned anything about tire size with the 60/90s... Do you have an optimal tire size or combo in mind, ala Firecrest with 21s up front and 23s on the rear...

Thanks and look forward to your products in 2012!
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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [waupaca11] [ In reply to ]
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waupaca11 wrote:
hey Chris, I was wondering if you guys have mentioned anything about tire size with the 60/90s... Do you have an optimal tire size or combo in mind, ala Firecrest with 21s up front and 23s on the rear...

Thanks and look forward to your products in 2012!

We tested our wheels in the A2 wind tunnel with 23mm tires. The 23mm tires fit really well with the rim profile and help create a smooth transition from tire, to rim, to fairing. I personally will be riding the 23mm Michelin Pro 3 Race tires with my FLO wheels. They did the best aerodynamically in the wind tunnel.

I hope that helps,


Chris Thornham
Co-Founder And Previous Owner Of FLO Cycling
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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [Canadian] [ In reply to ]
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Chris,

Can you help me out with the rolling resistance claim. Logically to me then the effective location of the force 'F' is going to be the midpoint of the contact patch, ie under the hub and therefore perpendicular to the movement. So the length of the patch is irrelevant.

In fact as it's now akin to being a short wheelbase compared to a long wheelbase then there's going to be more vertical lift and drop over road imperfections so I'd have thought that the CRR would increase fractionally. Clearly not enough to offset the other wheel benefits, but I just didn't understand this section of the benefits and it almost took away from the other benefits.

What am I missing?

Thanks

Duncan
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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [Canadian] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Chris,

Any new production updates? Are you still shooting for Spring 2012? How much do you think the ceramic upgrade will be per wheel?

Sorry, I don't mean to be a pest, but I'm very interested in your wheels...

Travis Rassat
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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [Duncan74] [ In reply to ]
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Chris,
Can you help me out with the rolling resistance claim. Logically to me then the effective location of the force 'F' is going to be the midpoint of the contact patch, ie under the hub and therefore perpendicular to the movement. So the length of the patch is irrelevant.

In fact as it's now akin to being a short wheelbase compared to a long wheelbase then there's going to be more vertical lift and drop over road imperfections so I'd have thought that the CRR would increase fractionally. Clearly not enough to offset the other wheel benefits, but I just didn't understand this section of the benefits and it almost took away from the other benefits.

What am I missing?

Thanks

Duncan

I'm going to reply to you, I just need more than a few minutes where I can sit down to do so. I have a busy morning but should be able to get you a better answer by the end of the day.


Chris Thornham
Co-Founder And Previous Owner Of FLO Cycling
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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [Travis R] [ In reply to ]
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Travis R wrote:
Hi Chris,

Any new production updates? Are you still shooting for Spring 2012? How much do you think the ceramic upgrade will be per wheel?

Sorry, I don't mean to be a pest, but I'm very interested in your wheels...

No worries. You're not being a pest at all.

Production is going well:
  • Custom DISC Hubs should be ready any day now
  • Currently finalizing spoke lengths for Custom Sapim CX-Ray Order
  • Molds are still underway

We have no specific dates as of yet but are pushing for a 2012 season release. Obviously as early as possible. Ceramic upgrades should be in the $75-$100 range per wheel.

Feel free to ask any additional questions.

Take care,


Chris Thornham
Co-Founder And Previous Owner Of FLO Cycling
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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [Canadian] [ In reply to ]
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I have been following your progress over the last months with great interest and can't wait for the wheels to hit the market.

I know you have been asked before if a powertap option is in the works and you have said it is a future project - have you considered selling the rim with an undrilled fairing to address people that want to add a powertap hub (maybe send it to Wheelbuilder to have them drill and lace it?) I am jus being impatient and want to have a powertap Flo wheel for 2012 race season!

Thanks and continued good luck-
Bryan
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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [Duncan74] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.slowtwitch.com/...ving_a_Bike_163.html

The bottom line is that the force in front of the mid-point is greater than the force behind the mid-point thus creating a torque about the hub that resists rotation.

Edited to say that Tom's article is even better.
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Re: FLO 60 and 90 wheel review [Duncan74] [ In reply to ]
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Duncan74 wrote:
Chris,

Can you help me out with the rolling resistance claim. Logically to me then the effective location of the force 'F' is going to be the midpoint of the contact patch, ie under the hub and therefore perpendicular to the movement. So the length of the patch is irrelevant.

In fact as it's now akin to being a short wheelbase compared to a long wheelbase then there's going to be more vertical lift and drop over road imperfections so I'd have thought that the CRR would increase fractionally. Clearly not enough to offset the other wheel benefits, but I just didn't understand this section of the benefits and it almost took away from the other benefits.

What am I missing?

Asked and answered...quite a while a go ;-)

http://www.slowtwitch.com/...ling_events_226.html

http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
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