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There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment
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Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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There is a reason for the maxim, hard cases make bad law.

This would be the perfect example of that adage.

Does he deserve to die? Sure. State sponsored execution is still wrong.

We are so fucked.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
There is a reason for the maxim, hard cases make bad law.

This would be the perfect example of that adage.

Does he deserve to die? Sure. State sponsored execution is still wrong.

I'll mark you down as pro vigilantism then
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).

Deducting 20 points for no explanation of what the fuck you're talking about.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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I’m guessing Chicago? One of my uncles is a counselor at Cook County Jail (27 years, he holds the record). He’s told me some really horrendous stories over the years. Truly sadistic stuff that somehow never made the news. The worst one was about a thug who put some girl’s newborn in an oven in front of her and made her watch as he cooked the baby.

For all of those who are opposed to the death penalty because of some convoluted “high road” moral argument, I’ll let you in on a little secret: what happened to that thug in jail was far worse than death.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [zed707] [ In reply to ]
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zed707 wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).

Deducting 20 points for no explanation of what the fuck you're talking about.

News story I saw .... there's this thing called Google
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
I’m guessing Chicago? One of my uncles is a counselor at Cook County Jail (27 years, he holds the record). He’s told me some really horrendous stories over the years. Truly sadistic stuff that somehow never made the news. The worst one was about a thug who put some girl’s newborn in an oven in front of her and made her watch as he cooked the baby.

For all of those who are opposed to the death penalty because of some convoluted “high road” moral argument, I’ll let you in on a little secret: what happened to that thug in jail was far worse than death.

New York IIRC

I hope he died eventually
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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Life as a child killer in prison is worse than death.

- The thrall alone takes instant vengeance; the coward never...
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).

Nope

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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
zed707 wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).


Deducting 20 points for no explanation of what the fuck you're talking about.


News story I saw .... there's this thing called Google

I shouldn't have to Google what the fuck you're talking about.

I deduct another 20 points.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:

For all of those who are opposed to the death penalty because of some convoluted “high road” moral argument, I’ll let you in on a little secret: what happened to that thug in jail was far worse than death.



At one of my former jobs, I worked with a few prison guards. They said that even in prison there is an "honor system" where criminals who hurt kids (rape, murder, abuse, etc...) are considered the lowest of the low. They said these guys are in for a very hard life behind bars
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [CaptainCanada] [ In reply to ]
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CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).

Nope

You miss the part where he strapped the three year old in and then burned the thtee year old alive?
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [zed707] [ In reply to ]
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zed707 wrote:
windywave wrote:
zed707 wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).


Deducting 20 points for no explanation of what the fuck you're talking about.


News story I saw .... there's this thing called Google

I shouldn't have to Google what the fuck you're talking about.

I deduct another 20 points.

I provided a synopsis. There's mitigating circumstance for burning a child alive.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [eye3md] [ In reply to ]
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eye3md wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:

For all of those who are opposed to the death penalty because of some convoluted “high road” moral argument, I’ll let you in on a little secret: what happened to that thug in jail was far worse than death.



At one of my former jobs, I worked with a few prison guards. They said that even in prison there is an "honor system" where criminals who hurt kids (rape, murder, abuse, etc...) are considered the lowest of the low. They said these guys are in for a very hard life behind bars

Yes but couple that with knowing you're going to endure being burned alive and the other inmates know to not kill you so you can be burned alive.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).


Nope


You miss the part where he strapped the three year old in and then burned the thtee year old alive?


If this happened to one of my grandchildren, there would be no trial or incarceration. Only vengeance!
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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Unfortunately the perpetrator is still alive. And you left out the part where he chained the doors of the car shut so no one could come to the little girl's aid.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).

It could be argued that state sponsored execution is too merciful for this piece of filth.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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https://nypost.com/...e-setting-the-blaze/

Local event for me. All over the news. Technically on Long Island, but inside the NYC limits so they get credit for this one.

The details just keep getting worse. I'm begging to think mental illness was involved. I don't see how anyone could do that, even on drugs.

"...the street finds its own uses for things"
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [Apollo71] [ In reply to ]
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Apollo71 wrote:

It could be argued that state sponsored execution is too merciful for this piece of filth.

And that is my stance on the death penalty. I have no problem with the death penalty being carried out, but IMO it is the easy way out. I think that there are some crimes that are so heinous that punishment should include pain and misery. If it becomes too much for them to bear, then give them a butter knife and let them end it.

The three sub-humans in Chicago that strangled a young expecting mother and then cut her baby out of the womb also qualify.
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).

Nope

You miss the part where he strapped the three year old in and then burned the thtee year old alive?

Nope, it was a terrible crime and he should go to jail forever.

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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [AutomaticJack] [ In reply to ]
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AutomaticJack wrote:
https://nypost.com/...e-setting-the-blaze/

The details just keep getting worse. I'm begging to think mental illness was involved. I don't see how anyone could do that, even on drugs.

i took a close quarters handgun class a couple weeks ago. the instructors recommended this book.

https://www.amazon.com/...logist/dp/0375702482

one of the things the instructors said we 'normal' people do is try to project our 'normalness' on the rest of society. bottom line, there are sick people out there. some of the sick people are violent and violence is their norm. it's their job. there is evil out there that needs to be cleansed from the earth.

ΜΟΛΩΝ-ΛΑΒΕ
we're doomed
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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:
windywave wrote:
Strapped his three year old into a car seat and set the car on fire.

Does this make the cut if you usually are opposed to the death penalty?

To the high and mighty who believe government doesn't have the right to kill people, would you consider vigilantism in this case.

And yes Duffy, I'd throw the first match. (I'd also strongly advocate no accelerants and green wood).


Nope


You miss the part where he strapped the three year old in and then burned the thtee year old alive?

NO, I think you just refuse or are incapable of understanding the reason some oppose the death penalty.

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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [AutomaticJack] [ In reply to ]
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AutomaticJack wrote:
https://nypost.com/...e-setting-the-blaze/

Local event for me. All over the news. Technically on Long Island, but inside the NYC limits so they get credit for this one.

The details just keep getting worse. I'm begging to think mental illness was involved. I don't see how anyone could do that, even on drugs.

Thanks for the link, nice to be able to find what the OP is talking about without having to go search.

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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [AutomaticJack] [ In reply to ]
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AutomaticJack wrote:
https://nypost.com/...e-setting-the-blaze/

Local event for me. All over the news. Technically on Long Island, but inside the NYC limits so they get credit for this one.

The details just keep getting worse. I'm begging to think mental illness was involved. I don't see how anyone could do that, even on drugs.

Interesting that it appears he may have started to kill himself.

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Re: There is not a cruel or unusual enough punishment [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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I remain opposed to state sponsored murder, but I'd have no problem personally giving this piece of garbage the Dothraki "crown for a king" treatment.

It would still be too merciful for what he deserves.

"Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all other possibilities."
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