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Re: Vind tunnel data on bike shoes? [wooger] [ In reply to ]
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wooger wrote:
Yes, I thought it was well established that aero covers coming as high as the rules allow are way more aero than any shoes.

That is cycling, and not triathlon. Triathletes dont have rules regarding sock/shoe cover height, and using aero shoe covers are pretty unpractical. I have a aero shoe cover cut to ankle height and uses aero calf guards.

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Re: Vind tunnel data on bike shoes? [ianmo80] [ In reply to ]
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Is it important to have the aero shoe, or is a cover, like the anemoi, something that would be more beneficial? It's obviously not going to be foot shaped, but it seems like the option at the minute is to cram your foot until an unrealistically shaped shoe, or suffer an aero penalty.

Specifically for Allan - would you trust an aero tri shoe for Norseman, for example? When the weather can be like last year? My last few xtris I've used a shoe with some weather protection, and cleaned it up with the anemoi cover.

I usually use Giro Empire SLX with a Bioracer shoe cover cut to ankle height (which enable a fast entry/exit) and speed tubes on the calfs. In Norseman I did actually use an pair of LG triathlon shoes (modified by removing the boa dial and replacing the velcro with elastic lases) as they are roomier than my Giros. That enabled me to use thick wool socks underneath. Over it I used neoprene toe covers underneath a normal neopren shoe cover. You can see a couple of photos of it here: https://www.instagram.com/...rce=ig_web_copy_link

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Re: Vind tunnel data on bike shoes? [RowToTri] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Allan,

Yeah, for the person who said go for the narrowest shoe, there is something to that. There are two main issues to consider with drag on a shoe - the frontal area against which there is high pressure pushing you back, and the amount of area on the trailing side exposed to low pressure caused by flow separation and turbulence. Reducing frontal area is easy. But a foot is the size and shape it is, so you can only go so far and then it becomes painful. Reducing the low pressure behind the shoe is much more difficult, but it has the benefit of being able to reduce drag without squishing the crap out of your foot. Reducing the drag of a shoe is not really about minimizing or hiding closure devices like BOA's.

I took the approach of starting with a lot of Computational Fluid Dynamics simulations of conventional shoes and understanding where and why flow separation occurs and what surface areas are then exposed to the resulting volumes of low pressure, and to do this at several different foot angles (i.e. how much the toe is pointing down). I then went on to experiment with A LOT of different shapes to delay that flow separation and expose as little trailing edge surface to low pressure as possible. I also made the choice NOT to make our shoe super narrow, even though that would reduce the drag even more. The goal is to be both aerodynamic AND comfortable for most people.

I know you have been waiting on us at VeloVetta as we have been delayed, literally, for years and I apologize. Of course it is very frustrating and I am embarrassed each time I have to tell someone we have hit yet another snag. BUT - here is an update. All of the uppers, carbon soles, plastic and metal components, etc for our first batch of 1,500 pairs of shoes is complete and at the factory for final assembly. Lasting and assembly will happen this coming week and the week after. Each batch that is completed each day moves on to have the wires installed. Then they will all get boxed up and shipped to my warehouses and then they will be available.



You know that I am a big fan Ed and first in line to buy a pair in size 45 :)

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Re: Vind tunnel data on bike shoes? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I realise this is an old thread but it seemed like a good place to ask this.

Why don't pro triathletes use lace up shoes with elastic laces as much anymore? Or any of the aero optimised shoes?

I read this and other threads discussing aero triathlon shoes. Then I've looked at bike pictures from the IM world championship of the past couple of years.

https://www.triathlete.com/...d-championship-nice/
https://www.triathlete.com/...world-championships/

It seems to me that the most popular shoes have either velcros or boas. In those pictures I've only seen one lace up and Jan Frodeno with the Bont shoes.

It also seemed to me that straps get a bad rap for "power transfer" but they seem pretty popular among pros in reality.

Why is that? Not that much of a gain anymore? Sponsorships? Prioritising comfort over aero? Something else? Or world championships are not representative?

Considering how much some of the top athletes have thought about aero, it seems hard to believe they wouldn't have thought about these things.
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Re: Vind tunnel data on bike shoes? [marcoviappiani] [ In reply to ]
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Pros want to “make the pack” so they can pace off (and legally draft) other pros. For an AGer, an extra 20 sec in T1 is worth it if the shoe is a minute faster. For a pro that 20 sec in T1 can mean 10-20k of solo chasing to catch the pack….or getting left behind for good.

It’s the same reason you see them skip calf sleeves if the swim isn’t wetsuit legal (T100 Singapore being a good example).

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