Seymour Hersch sure thinks it was the U.S.

Though I notice he had to publish this on his own substack, not through a major media source, where it'd have to pass editorial scrutiny. A lot seems to depend on one source.

Hey anything is possible, we need to feed the military industrial complex.That thing over in Ukraine is going to be a conflict for awhile and that’s business.

And open source data shows the ship and plane that he says his source claims were part of it, were not present on the dates that were claimed.

Not to mention most people don’t believe that a single source would actually be involved in all the aspects this source is claiming to be involved in.

Panama City, you say? I blame Rick_pcfl.
Also, I thought Biden was a bumbling old man? This paints him like a evil genius.

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The U.S. military industrial complex is always an interesting conversation, and a real problem.

But as far as I can tell, The Complex did not manufacture the situation in Ukraine, and while the U.S./West could have shrugged and let Russia roll through to Kyiv, that could arguably have very significant negative effects to global security and U.S. national security interests.

I was thinking that if this story is anywhere close to true this source should be pretty easy to identify since he was so intricately placed.

It is a good Tom Clancy novel but its veracity is going to be awfully difficult to confirm.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

The founder of Bellingcat is all over Hersch as being completely unhinged and unreliable.

Some other investigation of Hersch's claims.

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Haven't you learned? He is both a bumbling old senile man and an evil genius.

And MAGAts believe both to be true because they are that stupid.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Hersh is a total loser these days. One hit wonder.

If Christopher Steele wrote that story then Adam Shiff would be reading it into the record as fact.

Is it good or bad if true? Not sure we even got to that.

It just sounds very fantastical that one source would know all this. Clearly Hirsch has been right, and wrong, before so I'm not dismissing it completely.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

I don't know.

I'm having a hard time grasping the major threat functional gaslines would be according to Hersch. I get it. They allow Russia to make money while simultaneously creating an energy dependence. But I'm having a hard time jumping from there to the Tom Clancy op.

But if true, I'm leaning bad. Bad to blow up property owned 49% by other-than-Russia (France/Germany/Netherlands) just off the coast of a close ally (Denmark) without the apparent consent of any of those four countries.

In fact the reason I lean against it being true, is I don't see Norway acting all cowboy with the U.S. against the interests of other EU countries like that.

as a bit of context 25 years ago when i was at a major publisher Hersch sent in a manuscript with Kennedy assassination 'revelations' that would blow the lid off something something

my boss dismissed it as overly speculative

fwiw which may be nothing, different circumstances, but

You have very active imagination.

My impression is that Norway is an exceedingly environmentally conscious nation, and it’s unlikely their government would take a chance on having to explain something like this to their public.

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I lost all respect for Hersch when he tried to stop the Magnitsky Act. And now this. It sure sounds like he's getting something from Russia.

Or he has been all along....

It's interesting to watch how this sort of Russia propaganda strategy has taken hold amongst the MAGAs.

You just put anything and everything out there, some of it even contradictory, because you know different bits of it will resonate with different people but they will all end up on your side in the end because they'll just ignore the incongruous bits.

e.g. Ukraine is just a fake country that is only withstanding Russia because the West is propping it up and Russia had to invade because Ukraine was such a threat it was going to attack Russia at any moment.

I suggest watching the Undeclared War.... it's a British fictional limited series but very on point

This seems relevant to what Russia is doing here.