Hundreds of times a day?

Over 100K people per year are shot as far as I can tell. That's ~270/day. Maybe around 200 if you don't count suicide....though "shooting the object of your ire" prettty grimly also describes suicide for some.

I was assuming he meant deaths. I was surprised that the number of suicides by firearm far outweighs the number of homicides by firearm.

Stats I was looking at show ~40k deaths per year by firearm.

A better thread title - assault someone with a deadly weapon then point a gun at them....get shot.

I think this is a sadder case and in my opinion the officer was negligent.

https://www.denverpost.com/...g-guns-self-defense/

Point being, behind the wheel brings out the worst in humans. I've seen plenty of road rage incidents, and the online ones are the worst. Plenty of ones with people swerving and/or hitting bikes on purpose. It's bizarre the way some behave shielded by their car. So this adds a supposed pregnant librarian with a gun to the story. What could possibly have led to this on the road to be worth a gun fight...

https://www.usatoday.com/...ge-michigan/2841069/

https://www.kmov.com/...a3-9ba00fad6172.html

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime/argument-drivers-shooting-i-170-hazelwood/63-1b702caa-ef75-4a2f-a465-87966c50f800

A sadder case than a pregnant women getting shot on her doorstep? Yeah sure, since this is a political issue to you and you’ve convinced yourself there is a right and wrong side. For the non-subhumans, not even close.

Yep, I meant hundreds, and I meant shootings (there was a hint in my use of the word "shooting").

Reliable stats are surprisingly hard to find in the US, not least because of the success of the NRA in lobbying to limit CDC research, so you actually have no official database. The best unofficial database might be from the Brady Project. They say this:

Statistics on Daily Gun Violence in America Daily Gun Violence Impacting People of All Ages in the U.S.



Every day, 316 people are shot in the United States. Among those:

• 106 people are shot and killed
• 210 survive gunshot injuries
• 95 are intentionally shot by someone else and survive
• 39 are murdered
• 64 die from gun suicide
• 10 survive an attempted gun suicide
• 1 is killed unintentionally
• 90 are shot unintentionally and survive
• 1 is killed by legal intervention*
• 4 are shot by legal intervention and survive
• 1 died but the intent was unknown
• 12 are shot and survive but the intent was unknown

So yeah, hundreds is pretty accurate. And yes, that is fucking insane.

All they needed to do was sit which house she pulled into and then sit down the street waiting for the cops.

As long as they could identify the driver visually all they needed to do was jot down the plate number and call the cops. No need to follow her home at all. The police know where you live.

Could be stolen, could be a friend’s car, could be a rental. All things that could delay or prevent the effectiveness of prosecuting.

I’m not saying I would be getting out of my car and going up to the house as an antagonist. But you better believe if someone hits me and I’m OK, or hits my family member, or I witness it and I have the opportunity to follow, I will be doing so. Barring any other glaring safety issue that would make the risk/reward slant out of my favor.

Nothing wrong with following them. It’s public roads up until their dwelling.

Are you under the impression that people that Re in possession of stolen cars routinely just drive them around and take them to their own home? The rest of those issues aren’t really impediments to prosecution.

Risk/reward in escalating beyond calling in a plate doesn’t compute.

I don't see what the big deal is in following them. If it escalates or something, you can always just stop following them, or drive away if you're parked near the house.

nothing illegal about following the person but following the person who hit you and drove off is escalating the situation. And now a person is dead. Obviously sounds like self defense but following her home put him there to confront her. And justified or not, I think killing somebody sticks with you you’re entire life.

If they called 911 I’m curious if he was told not to follower her especially given they had her plate number, vehicle description, and witnesses.

The only way to know they "take them to their own home" is if you follow them, not just note plate and call it in.

Ok Marshall Dillon, you do you. However, stolen cars are either used to commit other crimes/joyrides and then dumped or taken to chop shops. Virtually Nobody steals a car, pretends it’s a rental, and then uses it to run errands, go to work, pick the kids up from soccer etc.

Which is exactly why the person followed. ?

If someone hits me and runs. And it’s a stolen vehicle, then if I follow them safely it’s a perfectly reasonable risk to possibly help ensure the police are effective in their pursuit. The opportunity cost is worth it.

If it’s not stolen then they have the correct address regardless.

If it is stolen or the person goes somewhere else then the police may have another lead to go on to apprehend the person, since the address on file for the plate won’t give them anything.

How is the car and person being somewhere other than where the car is registered not an impediment?

Which is why I said I wouldn’t get out of my car and confront them. Following them at a safe and reasonable distance to gain more information? Sure. As long as there aren’t any obvious other threats or reasons not to.

We apparently disagree that simply following the person is escalating the situation.

Also you seem like someone pissed in your cereal this morning, or ate all the stuffing last night.

You good?