Yeah, but it works for them

If you ever watch vids of ultras from Ginger Runner or Billy Yang, for instance, they eat pretty good at those - especially the Big Backyard ones where you have "time" to sit for a bit

Grilled cheese sandwiches
Breakfast burritos
French fries
Mac & cheese

As well as pizza, cheeseburgers & Taco Bell

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More power to them.

To each their own. I don't want to throw up any of that---which is exactly what would happen to me if I ate that in the middle of running for "ever".

Well that makes all the difference. I'm pretty sure I could eat 500g/hr tacos and hydrate with milkshakes on a bike ride for any number of hours. But I'd immediately poop my pants trying to run after that.

I failed to mention that on the run i have used 32gi on the run without issues. I have used thee tabs and clif blocks also work well for me on the run. Unfortunately, HI did not sit well with me.

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One aspect that has not been mentioned and I think could be worthwhile thinking about is bike fit and how you get fluid out of your front hydration.

Side stitches can also be caused by your diaphragm being insufficiently supplied by oxygen or by stress that you put on the ligaments holding your inner organs and your diaphragm.

Depending on how your bike fit is, you might be too cramped which causes distress while breathing hard. Also, sucking liquid out of your straw might cause significant additional stress to your respiratory muscles. All this could then cause side stitches and cramping and be totally unrelated to your nutrition.

For me I got significantly less stitches when I ditched my front hydration for a BTA squeeze bottle and adopted a more stretched out position on the bike. Also, respiratory muscle training can help.

Good luck.
Uli

I have found that switching from breathing on the right footstrike to breathing on the left helps alleviate side stitches, too [for a stich on the right side that is - if you're cramping on the left side, you'd flip that]

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Can you share any insight on what respiratory training worked for you?

iamAERO wrote:

Can you share any insight on what respiratory training worked for you?

me personally I am using the Airofit:

https://ch.airofit.com/


they have pre-designed programs to increase respiratory strength.


A cheaper version would be this:


https://www.powerbreathe.com/


Its basically the same just without the App control. I am a man child and like to play with electronics, therefore I like the Airofit. Not sure if I would buy it again though. In terms of results, I have increased my lung volume by a bit and the app tells me that I have increased my inspiratory strength from well below average to well above average (whatever this average means). So, its nice to see some progress. A lot of people would call it snake oil but since I started using it I "think" I have less stitches....not sure if it correlates or is just placebo.


I have recently seen two studies that seemed to indicate there could also be a performance benefit:


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33467421/


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...articles/PMC7706668/


but for all studies showing a benefit, it seems there is an equal or greater number of studies that does not show any effect....

Sorry, don't want to derail this thread.
Best,
Uli

I have enough trouble completing a Beer Mile

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Raced again yesterday. Still cramped but I think I may have learned a few things.
I'm suspecting I have issues with wheat so I haven't eaten any for the whole week (No pretzels! T_T )

Race morning, up at 5AM and ate a homemade baked oat bar at 5:15 ~200 calories, and chewed a gasx. Sipping water on the 2 hour drive, stomach is churning, burping up a storm.
Bathroom stop on the way, and again once arriving to the venue. Time is now 8AM, race starts at 9. Warmed up and standing in line for the swim start. Burping like crazy again. Tried to relax change my thinking "this is just a training swim nbd"

Once I got in the water I felt great. Get out on the bike, and drank thru 20oz of fluid with 25g carbs. Career best bike split for what its worth.

Got out to the run, first mile going great. Starting to feel the stomach turn a bit. around mile 2 I had to stop for a few seconds. Hands on knees pushing that gas out, then again around mile 4. Got thru these much faster than at the duathlon because I know how to clear them quickly now. Then in the final .5 mile I wasn't going to stop so pushed thru a 3rd cramp to finish. I probably lost nearly a min on the run.

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Post race thoughts:
Still got 2nd overall
Very sore abdominals... I feel some of the cramping is due to weak core muscles. I'm sure quarantine hasn't done my core well and tbh I haven't been working on it. So I will be working on daily core excercies.
I'm also wondering if my GI problems are simply just stress and anxiety induced. I may be swalling air and not aware of it. I had zero issues with the oat bars the day before.
Until I get thru IM Tulsa, I will be switching back to Tailwind just to eliminate any possible issue from my DIY mix.

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don't know what your general diet is like, but all stomach issues I had when running have disappeared completely since I massively reduced my meat consumption.

I'm not strictly vegetarian/ vegan or any diet, just good whole, natural food and reduced the general meat and fish in my diet and the improvements for stomach and general recovery from training, feeling fresher during the day etc. have been very noticeable.

also didn't do it lionel sanders style either by making the change overnight, with no research. my wife and I looked into how to cook more meat-free recipes that contain all of the nutrients and calories required and gradually reduced the meat element.

will still eat meat on occasion if it's something we particularly want, eating out at a restaurant or something like that, but the days of adding meat to meals for the protein myth are long gone. feel much better for it.

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I'm completely vegan at home apart from occasional desserts I buy. Just easier that way since my girlfriend is actually vegan

Restaurants though it varies if I see something on the menu I like I'll get it but yeah I eat pretty well at home. Beans everyday rice and potatoes, very little bread if any most weeks. Most of my bread consumption comes from hard pretzels

Also going to give not drinking at all a shot. I have been drinking non-alcoholic beer for the last couple of weeks but there's still wheat and getting in there.

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Do you think the gas-x helped? (I'm planning to experiment with it next weekend)

Re: oat bars, I worked with Core Diet on my race nutrition plan and asked them tons about race morning breakfast. They told me oatmeal has too much fiber and can cause a lot of the symptoms you're reporting. They suggested applesauce or plain bagels with jelly, which are much simpler carbs.

Not sure about the gas x tbh... I feel like no, because I was also getting some discomfort in my lower left abdominal area as well. never had that before. Usually its only right under my right rib. And the fact I took the gasx at 5:15 and by the time im in the car around 6 I was already burping

I was also thinking about switch to something like white bread. Applesauce sounds like good idea too. I always got subway the night before a race I was staying overnight for. super simple carbs in the bread. Don't remember it bothering me.

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Do you think it would have made a difference if you waited to take the gas-x until closer to the end of the bike versus before the workout?

It was my understanding that it was needed when you ate vs when you actually had the gas. IDK

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I'm guessing one part of becoming an Ultramarathoner, is learning to eat AND THEN run without heaving

Starting small, maybe, with a quarter of a hoagie, a slice of pizza, or an Egg McMuffin followed by a 5K at far less than road race pace?

I mean, if that's what someone is into - which doesn't seem to be for you, so you're good

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What else is in your subway sandwich? Any processed meats?

I try to avoid too much meat the day before a race ... will usually have pasta, sauce and veggies. Even bolognaise can sit in my stomach the day after and make me feel a bit ill during a race.

Another idea is ... are you eating/drinking dairy and if so, could you be lactose intolerant?

that shitty chicken patty with green peppers usually. Probably more soy than chicken at this point

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