I would not disagree, but one could argue that maybe she is to running what paul biederman was to swimming i.e. a super responder to high tech gear.
and for triathlon this is an outstanding time.

hear hear - their stuff is great. and it clearly benefits the athletes. ditto the invites they give out to younger/newer pros to big events. that truly shows a desire to nurture the sport.

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When will people realise the damage they cause but saying rubbish like this.

It is nothing to do with anyone except her team of professionals who work with her.

You're right, let's applaud her effort and ignore the red flags. That's a healthy discussion.

Yeah, because you're incredibly wrong. For a female triathlete/runner she doesn't even look incredibly lean compared to some of her contemporaries. She's fine.

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which red flags?

it would be easier to take seriously your claimed desire for a 'healthy discussion' if you hadn't worked so hard to establish yourself here as a serial inflamer.

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Serial inflamer? LOL. Go smoke a bowl dude.

how about just "asshole," then?

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In video on weigh in she was 59kg ~ 129lb. at 5'7" not bad, before this it looks like she weighed in 112 according to wikipedia for her run days

Ruth Chepngetich who just set the womens modern half marathon WR this weekend 1:04:02 - 5'5" 106lb

NordicSkier wrote:

You're right, let's applaud her effort and ignore the red flags. That's a healthy discussion.

Sadly Triathletemagazine.ca is reporting this as a world record in the article title:

https://triathlonmagazine.ca/...newly-releasedshoes/


They also reported Ironcowboy as doing Ironmans in their article title. In both articles they had all the caveats in the article, but they misrepresented the reality in both scenarios in article titles.

I thought that but I think they were mixing up cuts of filming.

Later on the printouts for her watts and output etc. said 51kg which is 113lb.

She ate at KFC on the way home for goodness sake. She is as normal as can be for an elite athlete.

Eating ONCE at KFC isn’t a testimonial for healthy eating habits.... not_at_all. Au contraire.

But who said being a world class endurance athlete is a blueprint for a healthy lifestyle?
It’s unsustainable long term without permanent damage.

Makes it even more sad it isn’t compensated accordingly.

 Think of the damage caused to individuals by commenting on their weight and body image.

I totally agree with the basis of needing to be healthy in general but to aim that at one individual is harmful.

There shouldn’t be comments about this focussing on one individual. Look at Holly Bleasdale’s recent posts on British Athletics Instagram to understand the long term damage comments like this can have.

Physique has an impact on sports performance. We're not discussing aesthetics but athletic potential. I sympathize with people who are self-conscious (or worse) when their appearance is a subject of public discussion, but this is the pro triathlon scene, athletes should get over it or retire.

I don't think Beth Potter is too skinny, that's a load of nonsense, by the way. She appears very much like many successful short-course triathletes.

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Side note: At the 2008 Olympics Biederman placed 5th in the 200. Germany had a sponsorship with Arena and Arena simply didn't have a competitive suit. He went a 1:46.00 in the Olympic final in textile pants (he didn't wear a cap either, which is on him). He went a 1:42.00 a year later in a rubber suit. That is a huge improvement, sure, but it isn't really out of line with what other people did. Swimmers were dropping 1 sec per 100 over their full body SPEEDO LZR times set a year prior.

I dislike how Bob Bowman went out of this way to bully Biedermann in 2009 and discredit his records. And Bowman's efforts have painted how Biederman is remembered. If Phelps and Biederman had switched suits in 2008, Phelps would not have won the 200 free. And if Biederman had a LZR like Phelps, you never know what would have happened.

To your point, about Biederman responding better than other to the rubber suits. I only disagree to the extent that it is a discredit to him. From 2008 - 2011 he was on the short list as the best mid distance freestyler in the world. And unfortunately for him the suits are a distraction to that fact.

129lbs at 5'7" is totally fine! I used to weigh that at 5'8" when I was running my fastest times many eons ago.

I don't watch elite running so I guess I'm not used to seeing how lean they get.
112 seems crazy light for optimal triathlon performance at that height.
Losing over 10% of your body weight seems extreme though, yikes.

You are right about children and Teen athletes, who can suffer damage from this. Absolutely.

But we are talking adults here.

I am an adult (or try to be).
I have been commented on my looks in unfavorable ways many times..
Sure it’s not nice and polite.
And sometimes it hurts.

But I am an adult. And adults should have the skills and means to deal with the ugly aspects of human interactions, aka life.
Or they’re in much bigger trouble than just body image..
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don't think anyone has argued otherwise here. only that we can also hold ourselves to a higher standard - the two aren't mutually exclusive.

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There is 0 direct link between physique and performance. There is a link between body composition and performance, but it is not a direct linear or universal one. Like anything, everyone has unique individual physiological differences, and a different balance point at which point the trade-offs between strength/being lean/body weight, etc. swing to the side of diminished performance. What causes harm is the assertion or assumption that these links are universal, and that lean = fast, because that can push people to make bad decisions (yes, even adults). We shouldn't be judging athletes on how lean they look, either positively or negatively. We should be creating an environment that values health over aesthetics, and where coaches are not only accountable for performance, but the health of their athletes.

I've seen this to the extreme, at an NCAA indoor track meet, where the warm-up shirt of one of the throwers (who was a former runner) was an act of protest to such toxic coaching, and said "I'd rather throw and eat, than run and chuck". There's a balance to be had between race weight (or even strength/weight ratio), and resilience to injury, illness, etc. This is also not unique to female athletes (although unfortunately there's much more aesthetic and leanness pressure on female athletes, but you see comments on male pro cyclists as an example on their physique and the perceived link to their ability to perform).

Official Record or not, she's clearly performing well right now, and hopefully she can stay healthy and is not peaking too early away from the meaningful races (the old adage of "all dressed up with nowhere to go").

The last thing that we all need to be doing is mansplaining health and fitness advice to olympians...

I am glad for Beth Potter but this issue with the shoes must stop. It is obvious that the huge improvements in PBs, WRs, etc are bigger than the average of the progression in sports history in such a short period of time. I correlate this with the swim suits back in 2009. So, accepting that some people might disagree, you put the numbers on the table and there is no discussion. IMO, all these shoes should be banned. It is unrespectful with the athletes who run in the past on "standard" shoes, and let me say IAAF is doing a bad job.
In disciplines where time matters (athletics, swimming, track cycling...) you must be more fair...

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Maybe I was trying to say "body composition", or maybe physique and body composition are related. Discussions about whether short-course triathletes "should" be skinnier and long-course triathletes "should" have larger fat deposits are as old as triathlon forums are.


See, your post started so well, and then you used the word "mansplain" because you disagreed with someone, and that is just so bad.

We're sports fans having a discussion. Anyone who wanted to "give health and fitness advice to olympians" would've sent them a direct message. (I'm sure some people do). Some have a tendency to tell sports fans to STFU because the athletes know better. I think you're mising the point of there being fans, forums, and stupid discussions.

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