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Re: Why I voted NO on USA Triathlon Ballot Options [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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Dude I just thanked you for being civil, and I said "I *think* you *might* be missing the reason I..." leaving room that I am mistaken and it's my perception that could be wrong. Don't get overconfident in your mind-reading skills now- stating I've missed your point as fact approaches insult territory. I understand you perfectly, just disagree with the premise of your argument.

Independent Council on Women's Sports - Triathlon Working Group Lead

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Re: Why I voted NO on USA Triathlon Ballot Options [lolarennt42km] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not really sure what there is to disagree with. If safe sport has to be followed by all members of an organization, it then means every member must adhere to the code. Meaning if you see a safe sport violation, you must report it. If you don't report it you are then in safe sport violation. That's not really up for debate, that is the regulations as they currently stand.

Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
-USAT Level II
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Re: Why I voted NO on USA Triathlon Ballot Options [lolarennt42km] [ In reply to ]
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lolarennt42km wrote:
Fine. And the coaching relationship can be terminated when an intimate relationship emerges and then consenting adults have nothing to worry about because the code will not be applying to their situation.

And I think you might be missing the reason I brought up drafting. USAT has very clear rules about this, and yet they don't seem to really have the capacity to enforce it very well. The result is a culture where drafting is prolific and few really care about it (only bike specialists that suck at swimming and running maybe). The concern that if we adopt this rule, that suddenly every triathlete is going to morph into an upstanding, rules-focused member of the relationship gestapo is unsupported by how USAT and triathletes already conduct themselves. We already can't follow rules that are actually really really important to the sport. You think people are suddenly going to turn on each other because of Safesport? The only people who are going to do that are people who already would via social media.



So you are saying that by making more of these rules nobody cares about, we are going at some point to arrive where MAYBE someone may want to follow those rules?

Yeah, that'll work*.

*Especially in our Society, where the law is largely toothless, if you're privileged.
And were people are hypersensitive and feel entitled to special treatment (talking all genders, but your previous post about sexism, SMH).

So yeah, this madness will continue.
But we got to live with other people's insanity. In regular life and sports.

So:
I think if USAT would make me sign another one of those many waivers (that I acknowledge that I will adhere to safe sport practices), I may play along with all that madness.
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Re: Why I voted NO on USA Triathlon Ballot Options [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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Apology accepted /s

What is up for debate is whether these rules result in brand new, draconian, unfair consequences to completely innocent people who have no recourse- because THAT is what really matters here, no? Not the words on a page. I dropped the 'can't hug at the finish line' countering after you conceded it was erroneous. I've conceded long ago that Safesport says what you say it does about coach/athlete relationships and applies until/unless USAT supersedes it with a clarification, so let's stop bringing that up. My argument is centered on how this will affect people.

I say the consequences you are afraid of are not new, that it is still highly - critically- dependent upon individuals deciding they want to report people, that USAT tells the triathlon community not to do plenty of things that they still band together to do prolifically, that discouraging coach/athlete relationships could be a good thing anyway, that there is reasonable recourse for innocent people, that it isn't unfair, and the pros grossly outweigh this hypothetical con.

How this actually plays out to affect people is absolutely open for debate. Even if your nightmare comes true, whether it outweighs the benefits is open for debate. Whether coach's *should* be schtooping their athletes is even open for debate. I had no problem with it previously, but I think H really had a point and I'm changing my mind. If coaching is a profession, then coaches should be happy to meet the same professional standards that exist everywhere else.

Independent Council on Women's Sports - Triathlon Working Group Lead

http://www.iconswomen.com
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Re: Why I voted NO on USA Triathlon Ballot Options [lolarennt42km] [ In reply to ]
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Here’s my final point. I’m happy to have coaches / board / club admin / power imbalance having to be held to that standard. What I’m not happy about is it now puts me in a position that if I see it happen in public, I have to report that. YOU have to report it, H has to report it.


I want to report on the “toxic” relationships, not the 2 adults happy relationship. And if I don’t report it I’m now in safe sport violation.
I personally have an issue with that specific requirement. Nothing more, nothing less.

That's all I've basically "worried" about. I wanted to bring the attention just how "literal" the reporting of rules are now required.

Safe Sport is a great step in ridding the people that need to be kicked out of the sport. My issue has NEVER taken away or supported the injustice of females that was seemingly said a few times on here. If you think i'm "over reacting", all good.


2 people dating in a happy adult relationship is not the safe sport "violators" they are trying to rid the sport of. They want to go after the abusers and the real power imbalance "monsters".

Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
-USAT Level II
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