I said she "appears" to have influenced him. Appears, as in, the optics. Those are the optics that she created. She knows how to play the game of politics very well. Her "accomplishment" is to have created the "appearance" of having influenced Manchin's vote. You can disagree with that, but I'm not sure how you can, because if that's how it's being portrayed in the media, then some people are seeing it as so.

I am refraining from commenting at the moment

My position is more nuanced than that

I'm not "looking for ways" to shit on Rep Ocasio-Cortez.

She should be applauded for her part in raising money for relief efforts, although we probably don't need to get carried away. She's not donating 4.7million. She set up a fundraising page on a fundraising site, and is lending her influence to that effort, which is great.

With regard to this latest back and forth, no one went looking for a way to shit on her. Kay posted a dubious assertion that AOC influenced Sen Manchin's position on Rep Haaland. And Kay did so by posting an AOC Tweet that likewise makes some questionable implications about Sen Manchin's views on Rep Haaland's ethnicity. And Kay did so while admitting there's no evidence of either assertion. It's entirely reasonable to discuss the extent to which Kay's assertion and Rep Ocasio-Cortez-Cortez's assertions are bullshit.

In my opinion, if there's no evidence that Sen Manchin objected to Rep Haaland's nomination based on her ethnicity, then it's bullshit for AOC to imply that he did.

And if there's no actual evidence that AOC's Tweet influenced Sen Manchin in any way whatsoever, it's bullshit of Kay to assert that it did.

But apparently we're living in the post Trump world, where the same people who complained about his honesty for four years (for good reason) feel justified displaying little honesty of their own.

I'm not "looking for ways" to shit on Rep Ocasio-Cortez.

that said, this whole thing of "accomplishments" is silly.

It’s another show of the performance art that dominates our political theater. In this medium, clout isn’t gained by what gets done but by what doesn’t get done while finding excuses to blame the other side. It’s a good way to get campaign cash and a terrible way to govern a country.

timmar wrote:

This story does not seem to be getting much attention in the LR.

I can not imagine the depravity of a person that visits their grandmother, sees she is living in squalor, and then just takes pictures for publicity and goes back to their comfortable home. Refusing to let someone else (even an adversary) help her grandmother is just pushing it into intentional neglect.

This is a person who so many here admire?

"And for the record - my abuela is doing okay. It’s not about us, but about what’s happening to Puerto Rican’s across the island," she wrote. "She had a place to go to and be cared for - what about the thousands of people who don’t?"

Mr Walsh's trolling - even if it does help the congresswoman's grandmother - blankets over the point Ms Ocasio-Cortez made concerning the broader and more systemic issues keeping many residents of the island in similar or worse conditions.
Unlike her grandmother, many of the affected in Puerto Rico do not have places where they can shelter while waiting for home repairs.
The blogger did not discuss or address that issue in any of his posts, choosing instead to focus on Ms Ocasio-Cortez.

I stand corrected. When AOC published pictures of her grandmother's living conditions, I took it as the truth.

Have some yard time I see.

So care to tell me why you think she's accomplished?

Wait, I found it!

https://mashable.com/...cortez-moments-2019/

She danced to the Breakfast club and played with a penguin!

On the other hand it is refreshing that it's like the Obama era where major scandals were latte salutes, etc. Harris today handing out cookies to reporters caused a lot of outrage, and playing with penguins is huge.

Vs. declaring love to murderous dictators, etc.

Getting technical, Penguins were part of 2019 instances, which was during the Trump reign.

I’m sure you didn’t want to hear that.

So? What's your point? Pretty sure trial is aware of that considering "2019" is in the headline of his link.

Should be easy to see the point.... he said Obama era, when this example wasn’t Obama era.

Not much of an arguable point, just an observation.