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Vertical Gain to TSS
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Once per week on the treadmill I run 10K at 10% incline. This measures right at 3200 feet of vertical gain. How can I convert this vert to TSS points on Training Peaks? I know how many TSS points count for the pace I am running at. I hate wearing a chest HR monitor.

Will a Stryd pod help this?

Is there a formula you use?

Thanks
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Re: Vertical Gain to TSS [Taggart_] [ In reply to ]
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I think that's what NGP is for.

That being said I'd ask a few questions

1. why worry about converting it to a TSS score?
2. why do a straight 10k @ 10%. It may be better to break that up into intervals that are not as steep that allow you to maintain closer to an actual running velocity that you could sustain outside.

Now if you're doing ultras or long(er) trail races getting some vert is good. I think there is a smarter way to do it though.

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Re: Vertical Gain to TSS [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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I’ll check out NGP!

I want to convert it to a TSS Score so I can see how it adds to my fitness and form

I can sustain this 10k running between 7-8 miles per hour, I am a “decent” ultra runner
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Re: Vertical Gain to TSS [Taggart_] [ In reply to ]
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NGP is "normalization" of pace based on altitude change from your watch. rTSS is based on NGP.
On a treadmill regardless of incline your elevation does not change so NGP will not work with just a running watch

You can try using Zwift with Runn (I believe it measures incline) or Zwift enabled treadmill.
I personally find Zwift insanely boring (slownam don't ban me for blasphemy!) so never done this myself, but from what I read I think it will use the incline to calculate a fake elevation and when you sync it to TP the NGP should work.

please post update if you give that a try
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Re: Vertical Gain to TSS [Taggart_] [ In reply to ]
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A stryd pod will calculate tss just like a cycling power meter will, it takes both the gradient and pace into effect. That might do what you're looking for? Also, if you're trying to track fatigue/fitness/form, using a stryd pod to calculate tss for all workouts means you're comparing like to like, otherwise it seems like you'll be combining different metrics.
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Re: Vertical Gain to TSS [Taggart_] [ In reply to ]
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You can also get a TSS value based on HR (hrTSS): https://www.trainingpeaks.com/...hats-the-difference/

GoldenCheetah does it thru TRIMP: https://fellrnr.com/wiki/TRIMP and you can tweak the calculation
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Re: Vertical Gain to TSS [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]
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imswimmer328 wrote:
A stryd pod will calculate tss just like a cycling power meter will, it takes both the gradient and pace into effect. That might do what you're looking for? Also, if you're trying to track fatigue/fitness/form, using a stryd pod to calculate tss for all workouts means you're comparing like to like, otherwise it seems like you'll be combining different metrics.


are you sure that is true on a treadmill?
last time I checked it only worked outside (unless you mean using the stryd app and manually set the incline), but I may have missed the memo on this one
https://support.stryd.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001658293-Why-does-my-power-not-go-up-if-I-increase-the-treadmill-incline-

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Re: Vertical Gain to TSS [Taggart_] [ In reply to ]
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https://www.trainingpeaks.com/...core-rtss-explained/

That's the formula for run TSS. I'm sure there are some charts or calculators online to help you convert your pace on the treadmill for your percent grade. Then you could plug it into the formula, figure out your TSS for that workout and override the value in Trainingpeaks.

It's possible with the Stryd, but it's not quite as simple as just wearing the Stryd on the treadmill because it won't automatically detect incline on the treadmill. https://support.stryd.com/...e-treadmill-incline-
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Re: Vertical Gain to TSS [Taggart_] [ In reply to ]
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You are basically doing an Alpe d'Huez climb in that run. Very impressive. I guess the TSS would be slightly higher than an Alpe d'Huez ride because of the mechanical disadvantage of running. It's not quite steep enough that the weight of the bike cancels off the running disadvantage....it thnk that comes around 13-15 percent depending on your run mechanics.
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