jharris wrote:
I don’t like to use the term Trump supporter. That’s like calling a Left-wing Democrat a communist. I will say Trump voter. Most Trump voters don’t like his flaws and don’t condone or support them. It’s embarrassing. However, Trump voters like how he gets things done.
Biden has zero plan an any plan he has is a mix of everyone around him. He isn’t a leader. That’s scary. I’ll take the asshole who gets things done.
Google Trumps accomplishments as President. The list is long. Amazing he could get anything done with the media and Democrat impeachment attempts gunning at him.
I’m a Trump voter. I don’t “like” Trump. He isn’t my friend. He isn’t coming to my house for dinner. I’m not a Trump “supporter”. But, Biden? Why, cuz he cares about you? That’s been the persona that I could care less about.
To answer the 2 questions I initially- I’m not changing my vote, but the debate was a shit show.
Picking this up in this thread but it's sort of a continuation of the other one. I'm not trying to shout you down and am truly interested to hear your views on some of this stuff. To be honest I don't consider myself especially liberal, but I am firmly in the camp of voting for Biden explicitly because he's not Trump.
Rather than me googling and tring to parse out what are Trump's true accomplishments and which of those might be important to his voters, can you list a few that are important to you? Typically when I engage Trump supporters on issues I get a few cookie-cutter tidbits of misinformation like "he won't give Iran $150 billion in cash" and "better border security".
In the bigger picture, I'm curious how you can neatly separate who Trump is as a person from his ability to think critically, make informed decisions, and create policy for reasons that are aligned with American values and interests. I've heard the same from lots of Trump voters, many of whom I otherwise respect - my parents, my wife's parents, the CEO of the company I work for. But I've always been taught - usually by those same people - that character and integrity matter, that treating people with respect and telling the truth matter, and that doing things the right way and for the right reasons matters. Assuming you believe those things too, why is it OK to dismiss them when it comes to the president? Are the handful of policy wins worth selling out otherwise life-guiding principles?
Lastly on the topic of leadership, you say that Biden isn't a leader because his platform is a mix of other people's ideas. I believe the best leaders surround themselves with experts and smart people and listen to their advice. They seek to unite people behind their ideas rather than divide and ridicule those who disagree. They lead by example and practice what they preach. Sure they aren't afraid to hold unpopular opinions or make difficult decisions but they don't do it in a vacuum. I don't see any true leadership qualities in Trump - can you elaborate on what you think makes him a good leader?