The irony of you claiming something is nonsense and meaningless, yet trying to influence other people to view it as nonsense and meaningless.

It's hilarious. And nonsensical. And ironic.

Guess how much influence you have on what other people consider meaningful and entertaining?

Exactly zero.

You seem to be confusing yourself. Perhaps you think there's some self evident logic in what you've written, but I don't see it.
Care to explain the irony to me?

Incidentally, I never said it wasn't entertaining. I said Strava KOMs are a nonsense and a meaningless statistic. However, that doesn't stop any of us investing our own meaning for the hell of it. I regularly pluck numbers out of thin air and make them a target for motivation. So what? That's not the same as it being a meaningful measure of performance per my previous comment.

You've letting this topic get away from you.
You were saying cycling is all about group riding and suggested those of us who think KOMs are less valid because of group tactics are idiots. Instead of arguing your position, it seems to have vanished and now you're saying essentially nothing.

I say something's meaningless, you say my comment is meaningless. I mention irony and suddenly you're saying my posts are ironic. Is that the depth of your debating creativity?

I've explained it three times. If you're incapable of understanding what's written, there's little more for me to do.

No, I didn't say that was what cycling is all about. No, I didn't say that about KOMs.

Perhaps this is why you're so confused? You can't understand what's explicitly stated, and then you make up things that aren't written?

KOMs are really a nonsense. The only way they would make sense as a measure of anything is if they were considered TTs, only to be claimed if you're not drafting. Even then weather would remain a big factor, and blatant cheating would remain virtually impossible to prevent.
Group riding is a big part of what road racing is about, but this is not road racing. This is a meaningless unqualified statistic for a few people to use to feed their egos.

The following is post#81 in this thread and where I engaged in your discussion with Slug.
See the bits in bold above and below? Your point surely is as I claimed above and yet you've just completely denied it.
You may have said things 3 times, but you haven't explained as far as I can see.
You say I'm the one who's confused? I may need you to explain it all to me.

Ai_1 wrote:

Is it really a race? It's a list of times recorded separately whether you are interested/trying or not. Competition is inferred by some, but does that really make it a "race"? I think it's debatable.

Clearly I don't think so either!

So you're replying to yourself at this point?

You're 52 years old and whining about something you claim you don't care about, using words like "mkay" and "braddah"?

It gets better and better!

The one nobody talks much about that I have I guess the wrong opinion on: girls on group rides with guys.

Never take a pull but bag every QOM in town while sitting in. I always hear “the other ladies could join that ride”. What? And be a leech and never pull also? I am 100% sure there are plenty that could steal my lunch money as a dude rider easy. So no machismo there. But to me that’s double shit etiquette, don’t pull and bag QOMs in the process. Or a guy skipping all the pulls and tying the KOMs.

I’m a dude even, so shouldn't care. But it is reason number 1 I wish they had group vs solo leaderboards.

There was the guy who completely changed his route to tag along with my partner, Dusty, and me on our quest for a Strava segment in favorable conditions. This old(er) man on his old(er) bike hopped right on Dusty’s wheel, separating us, and causing me to fall back out of his draft and our planned rotation. He could have realized he was the unknown factor in our pre-existing dynamic, and recognized that we had no understanding of each other’s handling skills before inserting himself. But no, our plans were ruined.

Ha! I am a chick and this burns my nuggets every time! I was actually oblivious to it until I witnessed the girl that holds many of the segments among a pack of dudes. Oh well, all you can do is laugh and keep training!

I'm a dude, and I've run into that issue personally a few times. I was doing BWR, and got into a pack of 5-6 people on the back half of the course, and set up a good rotation. There was a woman in our group. She'd skip every pull, even though she was clearly one of the stronger members of the group. That didn't bother me, though. By the end we dropped most of our group, and it was just me and her - she was camped out on my wheel. In the last mile or so I started hearing a bunch of cheers, and it dawned on me that the leading woman was just ahead of us, and I was closing the gap. That's when I sat up. Just didn't feel right. She's never given me the time of day since.

In the last mile or so I started hearing a bunch of cheers, and it dawned on me that the leading woman was just ahead of us, and I was closing the gap. That's when I sat up. Just didn't feel right. She's never given me the time of day since.

I would've tried to make a deal with her: "If I can give you to great finish, you can give me a happy ending"


#nogiftsgiven

Unnecessary, disgusting, and the pink doesn't help much.

Fair enough. But she wouldn't have given him the time of day even after he drug her ass all the way to the lead. Now he keeps his pride and doesn't get friend zoned. And, I bet she tells all her "friends" that she lost because of him, thereby letting them know that they can't dangle the vajayjay in front of him and expect him to jump through hoops at every whim.

Win/win/win.

Oh, I almost forgot. The faster woman won.

4X Win.

Jeez, even when you hit a grand slam in the bottom of the 9th you get tossed under the bus.

Sorry, I don't follow that line of thinking at all.
Seems childish, petty and misogynistic to me.

What if she had been, say, a junior male racer for example. He'd sat in with a stronger group of men and taken no turns. Approaching the leading junior racer, Trail decided the guy didn't deserve to be handed the lead in the junior category and sat up, which seems fair enough to me. Nothing is different to the actual case, except that sexism is no longer a factor. If Trail were to act differently when it's a woman, albeit in jest, it would be taking advantage of the fact the other athlete is female.

I find it astonishing you would try and justify sexual harrassment like that.... bearing in mind that the original comment was in pink so while I found the remark inappropriate, I assume RandMart wouldn't actually condone doing it.

You're both right; I didn't think that comment through well enough, even with the pink

And of course I wouldn't actually say or do such a thing IRL

I apologize on all accounts