Youre not wrong, Kay. At all. America has some serious issues. Gun laws being one of them. But also the people that feel they can use violence to voice their grievances. And it takes a simple cursory search to pull up enough examples where innocent peoples lives are changed dramatically in instances that most people would have considered a “simple altercation” right up until the moment it wasnt. This is nothing new, and noone knows when the next one will happen, or when their interacting with someone who will snap in an instant.

I dont think its easy to draw a line in the sand and say this is when its acceptable to fear or use a weapon, and this is when its not. When crazy people dont play by the rules, it gets dicey.

Someone brought up Australia As an example of people “just having disagreements”, so I literally found an article within seconds of two women who ended up in the hospital after their disagreement.

Tensions are running very hot right now, and its reasonable to suspect heightened actions from people who are upset. She tried to get away multiple times, she kept her cool. This womans hand was forced a bit, and Im thankful she showed some restraint. We may disagree on that.

We were in a bar in Chicago watching the McGregor fight and some guy wanted to start a fight with me because I took his barstool. He had been gone 15 min on a standing room only night. I calmly explained he had left and even after we agreed he could have it (bc it wasn't worth it) he was following us, wanting to fight me, called me a faggot and a pussy, etc etc. Only thing I could do was walk away but thankfully there was a fight to watch and he got out of my face. But these are the people out there. One punch from him and Id be on the floor, concussion, worse? Who knows. And that was with me walking away putting myself between think you and I just have to agree to disagree on this point. The him and my wife. One sucker punch and its over. There is no manual for this, and no warnings as to which idiot will make it violent and which ones are all bark and no bite.

Its not like she pulled the weapon as soon as the altercation started. The woman was calm and poised the entire time, until the mother and daughter kept escalating the situation.

Finger off the trigger And backing away, at no point was she a “millisecond” away from anything. She seemed in control the entire time.

Someone brought up Australia As an example of people “just having disagreements”, so I literally found an article within seconds of two women who ended up in the hospital after their disagreement.

Tensions are running very hot right now, and its reasonable to suspect heightened actions from people who are upset. She tried to get away multiple times, she kept her cool. This womans hand was forced a bit, and Im thankful she showed some restraint. We may disagree on that.

We were in a bar in Chicago watching the McGregor fight and some guy wanted to start a fight with me because I took his barstool. He had been gone 15 min on a standing room only night. I calmly explained he had left and even after we agreed he could have it (bc it wasn't worth it) he was following us, wanting to fight me, called me a faggot and a pussy, etc etc. Only thing I could do was walk away but thankfully there was a fight to watch and he got out of my face. But these are the people out there. One punch from him and Id be on the floor, concussion, worse? Who knows. And that was with me walking away putting myself between think you and I just have to agree to disagree on this point. The him and my wife. One sucker punch and its over. There is no manual for this, and no warnings as to which idiot will make it violent and which ones are all bark and no bite.

What bar? That is atypical behavior here

Oof, no clue. It was Oct 2018. It was the Khabib fight.

There have been a few people killed in Australia in bar fights (from punches) so I was being a bit flippant when I said the worst case scenario was a broken nose. But it's much harder to kill someone with a punch than a gun. Anyone can kill someone with a gun. We also now have changed the laws so a "one punch kill" can end up with a 10 year sentence.

re your situation in a Chicago bar, it could have ended up with either of you in hospital or worse from a sucker punch, but can you see how if guns get pulled by guys that are highly adrenalised as well as having had a few beer that the situation could be much, much worse. That incident in the New York bar highlights that. A few minor disagreements over a female touching other females butts, 20mins later two people shot, one dead and 3 arrested and charged with murder. 5 people's lives changed irrevocably.

Touristy? Know the neighborhood at least?

Bar Siena?

Fucking poser tool bar. Deduct 3 points

I make nothing of it. Not my lane

My lane is helping my guys find bad guys we want to either kill; or visit, if the juice is deemed worth the squeeze.

Enjoy your 4th of July Weekend.

/r

Pretty spot on. We had no clue, our first time in the Windy City. There for some big race or whatever. We were scrambling to find any bar that would be showing it without charging an arm and a leg for cover...big fail there. Deduct 10 points.

Best part is my wife violated 3 rules, didn't eat, had a few drinks, and locked her knees out. She fainted and then when I finally got her back outside with some fresh air she mumbles "If I miss the fight I'm gonna be fucking pissed." God I was proud of her. We made it back in in time and she was fine.

Loose cannons or people void of morals will still do evil things. The question we have to figure out a reasonable answer to is how do we allow people to defend themselves against evil people.

If only you knew someone from Chicago....

My mate got glassed in the face and almost died, the glass nicked his carotid artery, he was lucky. The guy that did it and a history of violence, numerous convictions, no jail time... he ended up doing 4 years for this, but perhaps if the legal system had come down hard on him initially, it wouldn't have happened.

I think for me, the system is too focussed on rehabilitation and not wanting to "ruin the perpetrators life", they become the victim.... and the injuries people suffer seem to play a critical part in a lot of cases, which I kind of think is irrelevant. If someone stabs you in the chest and you end up with a few stitches the perpetrator should receive the same sentence as if the victim had died. In other words, come down hard on violence, early on. Don't give them 8 or 9 chances. You run up and "coward punch" a stranger, unprovoked, you go to jail, period. Irrespective of the victim's injuries.

I don't think violence should ever be a goal in an argument. But I have a hard time believing victims shouldn't have a chance to defend themselves, or that they should have to bet all their chips on the attacker, verbal or physical, being all bark and no bite. The opportunity cost is too great for the person that doesn't deserve to have to be in that situation.