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Re: Conspiracy Theories -- How to Respond? [TheRef65] [ In reply to ]
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spudone wrote:
Facebook is poison and it flows from the top. Zuckerberg likes it that way.


I say it's a toss between Facebook, Youtube, or the local paper's online comments section which is the worst. They all seem to bring out vile people.

I found a weird nexus on Youtube the other day. I was watching a talk on the evolution of human skin. The comments section was filled with white supremacists (or just racists in general), black supremacists and anti-evolutionists.


I see this type of comment about YouTube all the time. I do know there is a comment section but I rarely if ever even look at the comments. Whereas Facebook is just a comments section on steroids. I never realized this was really an issue with YouTube.

It's like a train wreck, hard to look away but you know you're going to see some bad stuff. Recently I'm on a kick watching human evolution talks which are just filled with ill informed to vile posts. I know it's best to just not look, but there are some interesting informative comments sometimes.
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Re: Conspiracy Theories -- How to Respond? [TheRef65] [ In reply to ]
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Mine are mostly people I went to high school with (and who have never gone farther than the next state). I just ask them, "You went to a decent high school - when did you get so f'ing stupid?" And if they want to unfriend me, fine. They are the ones who requested it anyway. A few times a family member has posted something that is totally scientifically incorrect. I take the opportunity to point this out and ask them to not spread mis-truth (since most have been teachers).


I actually had this conversation with my dad last night. He still lives where I grew up and I told him I can't believe how people I grew up with have become. Most of it, in my opinion, is because they never left the comforts of home. I try not to get into Facebook discussions but sometimes I just have to respond to some really, really stupid shit posted. The typical response is, that's my opinion and normally has absolutely no scientific evidence behind said opinion.

I saw one the other day, I can't even remember what it was about now. But somebody posted something pretty stupid, and some other people posted back basically telling her why what she said wasn't accurate. So she then started complaining about her first amendment rights being violated. Which then of course then led to responses trying to explain the first amendment to her :)
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Re: Conspiracy Theories -- How to Respond? [Tri2HaveFun] [ In reply to ]
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There seems to be no limit to the amount of misinformation coming from all sides.

This^^^

It appears that people's minds and beliefs are easily manipulated, and the new tech makes this easy to do. Is it just about "selling" something? Or is there a deeper purpose of dividing us into violently opposed "tribes"?
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Re: Conspiracy Theories -- How to Respond? [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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ThisIsIt wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
ironclm wrote:
Mine are mostly people I went to high school with (and who have never gone farther than the next state). I just ask them, "You went to a decent high school - when did you get so f'ing stupid?" And if they want to unfriend me, fine. They are the ones who requested it anyway. A few times a family member has posted something that is totally scientifically incorrect. I take the opportunity to point this out and ask them to not spread mis-truth (since most have been teachers).


I actually had this conversation with my dad last night. He still lives where I grew up and I told him I can't believe how people I grew up with have become. Most of it, in my opinion, is because they never left the comforts of home. I try not to get into Facebook discussions but sometimes I just have to respond to some really, really stupid shit posted. The typical response is, that's my opinion and normally has absolutely no scientific evidence behind said opinion.


I saw one the other day, I can't even remember what it was about now. But somebody posted something pretty stupid, and some other people posted back basically telling her why what she said wasn't accurate. So she then started complaining about her first amendment rights being violated. Which then of course then led to responses trying to explain the first amendment to her :)

The most common response I see when someone is called out for posting poppycock is that they didn't know if it was true or not, they just thought people should be able to see it in case it was true.

The hard part about seeing posts from people you went to high school with is you grew up with these people. You know they are idiots. They didn't suddenly become geniuses in their 40's. Yes you should respect your elders, but idiots get old too.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Conspiracy Theories -- How to Respond? [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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Tri2HaveFun wrote:
There seems to be no limit to the amount of misinformation coming from all sides.


This^^^

It appears that people's minds and beliefs are easily manipulated, and the new tech makes this easy to do. Is it just about "selling" something? Or is there a deeper purpose of dividing us into violently opposed "tribes"?

I think a big issue is the loss of respect for expertise.

It doesn't matter what the issue or subject is there are people out there who's life work and/or job it is to understand it. Somewhere along the way many people have decided that their "gut" or reading an article someone posted on Facebook makes whatever they believe just as valid.
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Re: Conspiracy Theories -- How to Respond? [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
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My $.02...

Generally I like slowguy's approach as an all or nothing attempt to specifically stop receiving propaganda. But that depends on what your goals are.

If you want to help flatten the crazy curve with him, then here's my alternate recommendations...

1.) Don't interact via FB or email.
2.) Don't be an asshole to him.
3.) When/if you do engage him consider the following:
a.) do you care enough to learn his positions?
b.) are you capable of keeping the conversation light?
c.) are you ready to accept that this will be a process and not a lone conversation?
4.) Personally I don't believe in free will, so it helps me not to demonize people. (Only helps! lol)
5.) Given #4, there's no magic, it's just your influences versus all other influences. How can you do?

Either way, best of luck with what you decide.
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Re: Conspiracy Theories -- How to Respond? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
ironclm wrote:
Mine are mostly people I went to high school with (and who have never gone farther than the next state). I just ask them, "You went to a decent high school - when did you get so f'ing stupid?" And if they want to unfriend me, fine. They are the ones who requested it anyway. A few times a family member has posted something that is totally scientifically incorrect. I take the opportunity to point this out and ask them to not spread mis-truth (since most have been teachers).


I actually had this conversation with my dad last night. He still lives where I grew up and I told him I can't believe how people I grew up with have become. Most of it, in my opinion, is because they never left the comforts of home. I try not to get into Facebook discussions but sometimes I just have to respond to some really, really stupid shit posted. The typical response is, that's my opinion and normally has absolutely no scientific evidence behind said opinion.


I saw one the other day, I can't even remember what it was about now. But somebody posted something pretty stupid, and some other people posted back basically telling her why what she said wasn't accurate. So she then started complaining about her first amendment rights being violated. Which then of course then led to responses trying to explain the first amendment to her :)


The most common response I see when someone is called out for posting poppycock is that they didn't know if it was true or not, they just thought people should be able to see it in case it was true.

The hard part about seeing posts from people you went to high school with is you grew up with these people. You know they are idiots. They didn't suddenly become geniuses in their 40's. Yes you should respect your elders, but idiots get old too.

Some people I agree, I knew they were idiots then and didn't really expect them to change. There are some that I didn't think were idiots saying a lot of this stuff now is what disturbs me.

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Re: Conspiracy Theories -- How to Respond? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
ironclm wrote:
Mine are mostly people I went to high school with (and who have never gone farther than the next state). I just ask them, "You went to a decent high school - when did you get so f'ing stupid?" And if they want to unfriend me, fine. They are the ones who requested it anyway. A few times a family member has posted something that is totally scientifically incorrect. I take the opportunity to point this out and ask them to not spread mis-truth (since most have been teachers).


I actually had this conversation with my dad last night. He still lives where I grew up and I told him I can't believe how people I grew up with have become. Most of it, in my opinion, is because they never left the comforts of home. I try not to get into Facebook discussions but sometimes I just have to respond to some really, really stupid shit posted. The typical response is, that's my opinion and normally has absolutely no scientific evidence behind said opinion.


I saw one the other day, I can't even remember what it was about now. But somebody posted something pretty stupid, and some other people posted back basically telling her why what she said wasn't accurate. So she then started complaining about her first amendment rights being violated. Which then of course then led to responses trying to explain the first amendment to her :)


The most common response I see when someone is called out for posting poppycock is that they didn't know if it was true or not, they just thought people should be able to see it in case it was true.

The hard part about seeing posts from people you went to high school with is you grew up with these people. You know they are idiots. They didn't suddenly become geniuses in their 40's. Yes you should respect your elders, but idiots get old too.

It's like the guys I grew up around who I know were racists, who now post racist sort of stuff, and then get all bent out of shape when someone calls them on it. I mean maybe it's just a coincidence you use to be racist and now you post stuff that seems pretty racist, but you're not really racist.
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Re: Conspiracy Theories -- How to Respond? [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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ThisIsIt wrote:
j p o wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
ironclm wrote:
Mine are mostly people I went to high school with (and who have never gone farther than the next state). I just ask them, "You went to a decent high school - when did you get so f'ing stupid?" And if they want to unfriend me, fine. They are the ones who requested it anyway. A few times a family member has posted something that is totally scientifically incorrect. I take the opportunity to point this out and ask them to not spread mis-truth (since most have been teachers).


I actually had this conversation with my dad last night. He still lives where I grew up and I told him I can't believe how people I grew up with have become. Most of it, in my opinion, is because they never left the comforts of home. I try not to get into Facebook discussions but sometimes I just have to respond to some really, really stupid shit posted. The typical response is, that's my opinion and normally has absolutely no scientific evidence behind said opinion.


I saw one the other day, I can't even remember what it was about now. But somebody posted something pretty stupid, and some other people posted back basically telling her why what she said wasn't accurate. So she then started complaining about her first amendment rights being violated. Which then of course then led to responses trying to explain the first amendment to her :)


The most common response I see when someone is called out for posting poppycock is that they didn't know if it was true or not, they just thought people should be able to see it in case it was true.

The hard part about seeing posts from people you went to high school with is you grew up with these people. You know they are idiots. They didn't suddenly become geniuses in their 40's. Yes you should respect your elders, but idiots get old too.


It's like the guys I grew up around who I know were racists, who now post racist sort of stuff, and then get all bent out of shape when someone calls them on it. I mean maybe it's just a coincidence you use to be racist and now you post stuff that seems pretty racist, but you're not really racist.

Well to be fair, they probably have a black friend. ;)

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Re: Conspiracy Theories -- How to Respond? [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
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I like a good conspiracy theory, but the stuff on Facebook it's trash. I know because my wife shows me the silly stuff my Mom posts, including the Bill Gates satan microchip.

Social media is a horrible venue for politics and just about everything else. It's not going to change anyone's mind, except for the adds Russia bought during the last election.
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Re: Conspiracy Theories -- How to Respond? [Perseus] [ In reply to ]
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For family, I’d just let it go.
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Re: Conspiracy Theories -- How to Respond? [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
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trump is spending today retweet qanon maniacs. Good thing he doesn't have anything better to do.


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Re: Conspiracy Theories -- How to Respond? [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
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Our friend who is the anti-vaxxer appears to mostly be occupying himself these days with Covid-19 posts. Half the time I'm not even sure what the point of them are. I guess mostly to downplay the significance of it.

His post the other day with the new fatality data that is in the other thread here began with "We were led to believe that getting Covid was a death sentence..."

Really? From the get go people have been saying ~1% maybe 2% at absolute worst, and likely down around .5% or less, even for the elderly with comorbidities I don't think it ever qualified as a death sentence. You see it here too, where a number of the more adamant vocal people seem to be arguing against some extremist strawman position that doesn't reflect reality.
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Re: Conspiracy Theories -- How to Respond? [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
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This is what happens when you have weak political leadership at the national, state and local levels and people have been conditioned to believe what they are fed from many of them who are in reality unintelligent and corrupt.
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Re: Conspiracy Theories -- How to Respond? [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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ThisIsIt wrote:
I saw one the other day, I can't even remember what it was about now. But somebody posted something pretty stupid, and some other people posted back basically telling her why what she said wasn't accurate. So she then started complaining about her First Amendment rights being violated. Which then of course then led to responses trying to explain the First Amendment to her :)

Sounds like my slutty Trumpette cousin in CT; y'know, the one who's always calling herself a Feminist, but then complains on FB that none of the men in her neighborhood would shovel her sidewalk for her

The one who complained on FB when everyone stocked up on masks from Home Depot, because she has asthma and absolutely needed them more than "regular" people, but now says that a Gov't order telling her to wear a mask is illegal and violates her 14th Amendment

The one who claims to be Christian, but posted "that's right! 'when the looting starts, the shooting starts!' Go get them!!!"

She's not even worth the time nor effort to explain her hypocrisies to

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Re: Conspiracy Theories -- How to Respond? [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
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 What people post on their own page is their business. I only engage in the posts I care to engage with either with a comment or "like". I don't let people post directly to my wall without screening so they can only interact in the comment section. By and large that has worked out well over the 15 years I've been on FB. I have only had a few people that I blocked from seeing future posts because of the nature and type of comments they were making and I defriended one acquaintance over unacceptable treatment and vulgarity to someone who is a good friend. It doesn't happen often but If I get weird messengers I just ignore them. That has seemed to work fairly well when people see you are not interested in engaging them on whatever they sent you.
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