Are you kidding? I spend a tiny fraction of the time that you spend relentlessly hating him and posting shit about him. Like I said, I voted for him and will vote for him again because of his goals and preferences for how the country should be run. I can't stand some of the stupid shit he does, nor do I like most of his tweets, but he has done what he had to do to call out ridiculously biased (being kind here) 'reporting' by the MSM. The press conferences are not intended to illicit any information, they are just sessions the press view as attempts to ask the big 'gotcha' question that will make them famous among their peers and the biased owners of their networks. Half the time, Trump falls for it because his ego is bigger than Trump Towers. But, unlike many here, his ego doesn't offend or threaten me. I like that he has a big ego because it motivates him.

I'm sure this will trigger endless snarky responses, but frankly, I don't give fuck. I actually have a life outside this forum. On the other hand, now that I have said I don't care, maybe not.
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Yes, you have used that excuse before. I have been to countries all over the world, but I am not so arrogant or entitled that I feel the need to stick my nose in their business.

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"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f___ things up" - Barack Obama, 2020

I posted this list a few weeks ago, but apparently you didn't see it. So, since you asked:

* Trump recently signed 3 bills to benefit Native people. One gives compensation to the Spokane tribe for loss of their lands in the mid-1900s, one funds Native language programs, and the third gives federal recognition to the Little Shell Tribe of Chippewa Indians in Montana.
* Trump finalized the creation of Space Force as our 6th Military branch.
* Trump signed a law to make cruelty to animals a federal felony so that animal abusers face tougher consequences.👀👀
* Violent crime has fallen every year he’s been in office after rising during the 2 years before he was elected.
* Trump signed a bill making CBD and Hemp legal.👀👀
* Trump’s EPA gave $100 million to fix the water infrastructure problem in Flint, Michigan.
* Under Trump’s leadership, in 2018 the U.S. surpassed Russia and Saudi Arabia to become the world’s largest producer of crude oil.
* Trump signed a law ending the gag orders on Pharmacists that prevented them from sharing money-saving information.
* Trump signed the “Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act” (FOSTA), which includes the “Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act” (SESTA) which both give law enforcement and victims new tools to fight sex trafficking.👀👀
* Trump signed a bill to require airports to provide spaces for breastfeeding Moms.
* The 25% lowest-paid Americans enjoyed a 4.5% income boost in November 2019, which outpaces a 2.9% gain in earnings for the country's highest-paid workers.
* Low-wage workers are benefiting from higher minimum wages and from corporations that are increasing entry-level pay.
* Trump signed the biggest wilderness protection & conservation bill in a decade and designated 375,000 acres as protected land.
* Trump signed the Save our Seas Act which funds $10 million per year to clean tons of plastic & garbage from the ocean.👀👀
* He signed a bill this year allowing some drug imports from Canada so that prescription prices would go down.
* Trump signed an executive order this year that forces all healthcare providers to disclose the cost of their services so that Americans can comparison shop and know how much less providers charge insurance companies.
* When signing that bill he said no American should be blindsided by bills for medical services they never agreed to in advance.
* Hospitals will now be required to post their standard charges for services, which include the discounted price a hospital is willing to accept.
* In the eight years prior to President Trump’s inauguration, prescription drug prices increased by an average of 3.6% per year. Under Trump, drug prices have seen year-over-year declines in nine of the last ten months, with a 1.1% drop as of the most recent month.
* He created a White House VA Hotline to help veterans and principally staffed it with veterans and direct family members of veterans.👀👀
* VA employees are being held accountable for poor performance, with more than 4,000 VA employees removed, demoted, and suspended so far.
* Issued an executive order requiring the Secretaries of Defense, Homeland Security, and Veterans Affairs to submit a joint plan to provide veterans access to access to mental health treatment as they transition to civilian life.
* Because of a bill signed and championed by Trump, In 2020, most federal employees will see their pay increase by an average of 3.1% — the largest raise in more than 10 years.
* Trump signed into a law up to 12 weeks of paid parental leave for millions of federal workers.
* Trump administration will provide HIV prevention drugs for free to 200,000 uninsured patients per year for 11 years.👀👀
* All-time record sales during the 2019 holidays.
* Trump signed an order allowing small businesses to group together when buying insurance to get a better price👀👀
* President Trump signed the Preventing Maternal Deaths Act that provides funding for states to develop maternal mortality reviews to better understand maternal complications and identify solutions & largely focuses on reducing the higher mortality rates for Black Americans.
* In 2018, President Trump signed the groundbreaking First Step Act, a criminal justice bill which enacted reforms that make our justice system fairer and help former inmates successfully return to society.
* The First Step Act’s reforms addressed inequities in sentencing laws that disproportionately harmed Black Americans and reformed mandatory minimums that created unfair outcomes.👀👀
* The First Step Act expanded judicial discretion in sentencing of non-violent crimes.
* Over 90% of those benefitting from the retroactive sentencing reductions in the First Step Act are Black Americans.
* The First Step Act provides rehabilitative programs to inmates, helping them successfully rejoin society and not return to crime.
* Trump increased funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) by more than 14%.👀👀
* Trump signed legislation forgiving Hurricane Katrina debt that threatened HBCUs.
* New single-family home sales are up 31.6% in October 2019 compared to just one year ago.
* Made HBCUs a priority by creating the position of executive director of the White House Initiative on HBCUs.
* Trump received the Bipartisan Justice Award at a historically black college for his criminal justice reform accomplishments.
* The poverty rate fell to a 17-year low of 11.8% under the Trump administration as a result of a jobs-rich environment.👀👀
* Poverty rates for African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans have reached their lowest levels since the U.S. began collecting such data.
* President Trump signed a bill that creates five national monuments, expands several national parks, adds 1.3 million acres of wilderness, and permanently reauthorizes the Land and Water Conservation Fund.
* Trump’s USDA committed $124 Million to rebuild rural water infrastructure.👀👀
* Consumer confidence & small business confidence is at an all time high.
* More than 7 million jobs created since election.
* More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
* More than 400,000 manufacturing jobs created since his election.
* Trump appointed 5 openly gay ambassadors.👀👀
* Trump ordered Ric Grenell, his openly gay ambassador to Germany, to lead a global initiative to decriminalize homosexuality across the globe.
* Through Trump’s Anti-Trafficking Coordination Team (ACTeam) initiative, Federal law enforcement more than doubled convictions of human traffickers and increased the number of defendants charged by 75% in ACTeam districts.
* In 2018, the Department of Justice (DOJ) dismantled an organization that was the internet’s leading source of prostitution-related advertisements resulting in sex trafficking.
* Trump’s OMB published new anti-trafficking guidance for government procurement officials to more effectively combat human trafficking.
* Trump’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s Homeland Security Investigations arrested 1,588 criminals associated with Human Trafficking.
* Trump’s Department of Health and Human Services provided funding to support the National Human Trafficking Hotline to identify perpetrators and give victims the help they need.
* The hotline identified 16,862 potential human trafficking cases.
* Trump’s DOJ provided grants to organizations that support human trafficking victims – serving nearly 9,000 cases from July 1, 2017, to June 30, 2018.👀👀
* The Department of Homeland Security has hired more victim assistance specialists, helping victims get resources and support.
* President Trump has called on Congress to pass school choice legislation so that no child is trapped in a failing school because of his or her zip code.👀👀
* The President signed funding legislation in September 2018 that increased funding for school choice by $42 million.
* The tax cuts signed into law by President Trump promote school choice by allowing families to use 529 college savings plans for elementary and secondary education.👀👀
* Under his leadership ISIS has lost most of their territory and been largely dismantled.
* ISIS leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi was killed.
* Signed the first Perkins CTE reauthorization since 2006, authorizing more than $1 billion for states each year to fund vocational and career education programs.
* Executive order expanding apprenticeship opportunities for students and workers.
* Trump issued an Executive Order prohibiting the U.S. government from discriminating against Christians or punishing expressions of faith.
* Signed an executive order that allows the government to withhold money from college campuses deemed to be anti-Semitic and who fail to combat anti-Semitism.
* President Trump ordered a halt to U.S. tax money going to international organizations that fund or perform abortions.
* Trump imposed sanctions on the socialists in Venezuela who have killed their citizens.
* Finalized new trade agreement with South Korea.
* Made a deal with the European Union to increase U.S. energy exports to Europe.👀👀
* Withdrew the U.S. from the job killing TPP deal.
* Secured $250 billion in new trade and investment deals in China and $12 billion in Vietnam.
* Okay’d up to $12 billion in aid for farmers affected by unfair trade retaliation.👀👀
* Has had over a dozen US hostages freed, including those Obama could not get freed.
* Trump signed the Music Modernization Act, the biggest change to copyright law in decades.
* Trump secured Billions that will fund the building of a wall at our southern border.
* The Trump Administration is promoting second chance hiring to give former inmates the opportunity to live crime-free lives and find meaningful employment.
* Trump’s DOJ and the Board Of Prisons launched a new “Ready to Work Initiative” to help connect employers directly with former prisoners.👀👀
* President Trump’s historic tax cut legislation included new Opportunity Zone Incentives to promote investment in low-income communities across the country.
* 8,764 communities across the country have been designated as Opportunity Zones.
* Opportunity Zones are expected to spur $100 billion in long-term private capital investment in economically distressed communities across the country.
* Trump directed the Education Secretary to end Common Core.👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
* Trump signed the 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund into law.
* Trump signed measure funding prevention programs for Veteran suicide.👀👀
* Companies have brought back over a TRILLION dollars from overseas because of the TCJA bill that Trump signed.
* Manufacturing jobs are growing at the fastest rate in more than 30 years.
* Stock Market has reached record highs.
* Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
* African-American unemployment is at an all time low.
* Hispanic-American unemployment is at an all time low.
* Asian-American unemployment is at an all time low.
* Women’s unemployment rate is at a 65-year low.
* Youth unemployment is at a 50-year low.
* We have the lowest unemployment rate ever recorded.
* The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans.
* 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future— the highest ever.
* As a result of the Republican tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.👀👀
* Record number of regulations eliminated that hurt small businesses.
* Signed welfare reform requiring able-bodied adults who don’t have children to work or look for work if they’re on welfare.🙌🙌
* Under Trump, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history.
* Reformed Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors 100’s of millions of $$$ this year alone.👀👀
* Signed Right-To-Try legislation allowing terminally ill patients to try experimental treatment that wasn’t allowed before.
* Secured $6 billion in new funding to fight the opioid epidemic.❤️❤️
* Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.👀👀
* U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high so we are less dependent on oil from the Middle East.
* The U.S. is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
* NATO allies increased their defense spending because of his pressure campaign.
* Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord in 2017 and that same year the U.S. still led the world by having the largest reduction in Carbon emissions.👀👀
* Has his circuit court judge nominees being confirmed faster than any other new administration.
* Had his Supreme Court Justice’s Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh confirmed.
* Moved U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.👀👀
* Agreed to a new trade deal with Mexico & Canada that will increase jobs here and $$$ coming in.
* Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
* Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices, has agreed to a Part One trade deal with China.
* Signed legislation to improve the National Suicide Hotline.👀👀
* Signed the most comprehensive childhood cancer legislation ever into law, which will advance childhood cancer research and improve treatments.
* The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act signed into law by Trump doubled the maximum amount of the child tax credit available to parents and lifted the income limits so more people could claim it.
* It also created a new tax credit for other dependents.
* In 2018, President Trump signed into law a $2.4 billion funding increase for the Child Care and Development Fund, providing a total of $8.1 billion to States to fund child care for low-income families.
* The Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit (CDCTC) signed into law by Trump provides a tax credit equal to 20-35% of child care expenses, $3,000 per child & $6,000 per family + Flexible Spending Accounts (FSAs) allow you to set aside up to $5,000 in pre-tax $ to use for child care.
* In 2019 President Donald Trump signed the Autism Collaboration, Accountability, Research, Education and Support Act (CARES) into law which allocates $1.8 billion in funding over the next five years to help people with autism spectrum disorder and to help their families.👀👀
* In 2019 President Trump signed into law two funding packages providing nearly $19 million in new funding for Lupus specific research and education programs, as well an additional $41.7 billion in funding for the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the most Lupus funding EVER.
* Another upcoming accomplishment to add: In the next week or two Trump will be signing the first major anti-robocall law in decades called the TRACED Act (Telephone Robocall Abuse Criminal Enforcement and Deterrence.) Once it’s thelaw, the TRACED Act will extend the period of time the FCC has to catch & punish those who intentionally break telemarketing restrictions. The bill also requires voice service providers to develop a framework to verify calls are legitimate before they reach your phone.
* US stock market continually hits all-time record highs.
* Because so many people asked for a document with all of this listed in one place, here it is. No links provided to remove bias as Google search is easy. Print this out for family, friends, neighbors, etc. I encourage you to drop this list off to voters before the 2020 election too!
*Trump did all of this while fighting flagrant abuse and impeachment charges

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"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f___ things up" - Barack Obama, 2020

Of all the things I've read on here this stands out as being the most incorrect. It is just plain wrong.

A more educated society is more productive. The reason the US was so successful in the past is in large part because it's higher educational system was the best in the world. "Making someone else pay for it" through taxes was a large part of its success. Every dollar spent on higher education by someone without a degree still returns much more than the original dollar spent.

The person benefitting their degee is not the only person who benefits from that degree.

A different thread has a bunch if people losing their shit about Reagan. Reagan, if he was speaking truth, should have said " I never got a job from an uneducated person". Trade schools included. Apprenticeships include. Bachelors, master's, and PhDs included.

A dated study but true: https://www.rand.org/...h_briefs/RB9461.html

The government paying x dollars for someone to get an education returns x*m dollars back. "m" is positive and greater than 1... The costs pay for themselves. Democrats are the ones who understand this. Any third party mentioned here aside from the more socialist ones (who I don't think anyone is advocating for) does not understand this.

This thread reminds me of something like this:
Republicans: long slow distance training is the best.
Democrats: 80/20 training is best.
Third parties: crossfit, tabata, yoga, holobands and extreme volume.

Rs and Ds : wtf?
Third parties: if you don't know what crossfit is all about, I can't help you.

Nothing you wrote addresses Mjuric’s concerns about lowering education costs.

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Slowguy

(insert pithy phrase here...)

Yes, you have used that excuse before. I have been to countries all over the world, but I am not so arrogant or entitled that I feel the need to stick my nose in their business.


I don't need an excuse to post here. Once you take over this forum, then you can set the rules.

I really find it funny there is someone that is like, "I really support the space force, so I am going to vote for trump." Like really? Why do you want space force? What do we get out of that we are not getting out of Space Command? Other than you know, more costs.

Also, you may want tell where ever you copy and paste that from they need to update it:

Ok, so matt is on board with 100%, or a large increase in government funding of higher education if total university budgets are reduced? I think not.

His concern is with who is paying rather than how much it costs. I'd wager that matt is cool with college costing 1mill per year for anyone that wants to attend, rather than cheap college being paid for by the government instead of the student.

If anyone wants to argue that colleges are country clubs who have lost their way, and should reduce overall costs while increasing government funding so that the student pays less individually, I'm on board. I doubt any libertarian is saying "reduce overall college budgets and expenditures, but also increase state funding to reduce the burden on the student in two ways at once."

I'll still take the Ds.

Here are two tweets from October 25th 2019:





Is this really a difficult decision here? Really?

His directly explicitly specifically stated concern is cost of education, before the discussion of who pays. I don’t know if he’d be fine with 100% govt funded education, but I do know that he’s 100% correct that having the government pay doesn’t do anything to decrease cost, it just shifts it.

The burden on students comes from education costs being outrageously high. If those costs were reasonable, the need for govt subsidization would be significantly less.

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Slowguy

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I did miss it. Thanks for the response.

Before I respond further, is this list your work or did you get it from somewhere else? This second to last bullet made me think you found it somewhere else.

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Suffer Well.

The unemployment numbers section might need updating.

And they should include how many times we have celebrated the Dow Jones crossing 25,000.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Oh, hell no, I didn't write all of that. Didn't mean to imply it either. I have randomly checked some of the claims, though, didn't find any that weren't verifiable on the web.

Greg

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"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f___ things up" - Barack Obama, 2020

So someone asked why you support trump and you copy pasted a list from somewhere that you checked a few to see if they were true?

I've never gotten an answer from one of his supporters that was original thoughts and that was my hope in your response. I didn't want to assume either way without confirmation. Can you tell me in your own words and thoughts why you support his platform? That's what I was asking for.

About that list, several of them are just absolute bullshit, others are at best misleading, some of them used to be true and some are facts but really meaningless "accomplishments." And some of them are actual accomplishments. I've already dismantled a similar feel good list from gphin last year-with charts and graphs and sources- and if you aren't even putting in the effort to verbalize your support for him, I'm not going to spend a few hours on that effort on something that you just grabbed from facebook or the like.

At any rate, I'm not sure it would matter much given that you have already made up your mind.

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Suffer Well.

Sigh. I'll do the first ten, someone can take the reins from there. If I don't write anything I don't really have an issue with the characterization

* Trump recently signed 3 bills to benefit Native people. One gives compensation to the Spokane tribe for loss of their lands in the mid-1900s, one funds Native language programs, and the third gives federal recognition to the Little Shell Tribe of Chippewa Indians in Montana.
* Trump finalized the creation of Space Force as our 6th Military branch. Yep, everyone was clamoring for that. So what does the Space Force look like exactly? Who heads it? Where is it (except in Trump's head of course)?
* Trump signed a law to make cruelty to animals a federal felony so that animal abusers face tougher consequences.👀👀 Yep, he literally wrote his name under a bipartisan bill that passed by voice vote in both chambers and...wait for it...was an expansion of a 2010 law signed by Obama (I assume no-one told him that).
* Violent crime has fallen every year he’s been in office after rising during the 2 years before he was elected. True (basically flat 2016-2017 but I'm feeling generous). Has nothing to do with Trump but...
* Trump signed a bill making CBD and Hemp legal.👀👀
* Trump’s EPA gave $100 million to fix the water infrastructure problem in Flint, Michigan. This happened under Trump's watch but that's a creature of timing. The grant was under WIIN signed by, you guessed it, Obama in 12/16,
* Under Trump’s leadership, in 2018 the U.S. surpassed Russia and Saudi Arabia to become the world’s largest producer of crude oil. The world's biggest producer of something that two months ago was worth less than nothing! That's a good long-term bet for our economy and the health of our planet!
* Trump signed a law ending the gag orders on Pharmacists that prevented them from sharing money-saving information.
* Trump signed the “Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act” (FOSTA), which includes the “Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act” (SESTA) which both give law enforcement and victims new tools to fight sex trafficking.👀👀 Both these laws were highly controversial and roundly criticized y sex-worker advocacy groups (and internet freedom advocates). I have more sympathy for the former than the latter and fully acknowledge this is a thorny issue but presenting them as an inherently good thing is too simplistic.
* Trump signed a bill to require airports to provide spaces for breastfeeding Moms. This is true, good and valuable. But...seriously...this is where you fall to 10 items from the top of a list of Presidential achievements by someone rounding out their first term?! Also, this wasn't in the FAAA renewal until it was introduced by Tammy Duckworth who is...a DEMONCRAT!
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"Are you sure we're going fast enough?" - Emil Zatopek

Under Trump’s leadership, in 2018 the U.S. surpassed Russia and Saudi Arabia to become the world’s largest producer of crude oil.


Trump is directly responsible for more oil discoveries in the U.S...

Or, Russia and the Saudis are cutting production to create a price war to eliminate other producers and control the oil market.

I'm leaning towards the latter but either way, he's shown great leadership.

I'm a keep going:

* The 25% lowest-paid Americans enjoyed a 4.5% income boost in November 2019, which outpaces a 2.9% gain in earnings for the country's highest-paid workers. NOt a new phenomenon (and %'s don't mean all that much when the bottom 20% of hourseholds make $13.3k a year). As this graph shows whatever positive you want to draw from it is basically Trump rising Obama era trends:


* Low-wage workers are benefiting from higher minimum wages and from corporations that are increasing entry-level pay. Ha Ha Ha! Wage growth is in large part due to increased minimum wages which Trump has consistently decried - advocating keeping the federal minimum at $7.25. To take the credit for the effects of States ignoring him takes real chutzpah.
* Trump signed the biggest wilderness protection & conservation bill in a decade and designated 375,000 acres as protected land. Bears ears, obviously. But net net this is a good thing.
* Trump signed the Save our Seas Act which funds $10 million per year to clean tons of plastic & garbage from the ocean.👀👀 $10m. $10m. The feds just paid $3m to a white house staffer for masks that might as well be coffee filters and Tom Price runs up over $1m of expenses every year that CAP flags as questionable. $10m is a joke. For anything except inclusion in a list like this.
* He signed a bill this year allowing some drug imports from Canada so that prescription prices would go down. This hasn't one a darn thing yet and won't, for a long period pending the submission of state plans.
* Trump signed an executive order this year that forces all healthcare providers to disclose the cost of their services so that Americans can comparison shop and know how much less providers charge insurance companies. This won't go into effect until 2021 and is already mired in litigation from all the major hospitals. More lipstick on the pig of US healthcare that Trump has refused to meaningfully address I'm afraid.
* When signing that bill he said no American should be blindsided by bills for medical services they never agreed to in advance. Trump said something? That's an achievement worth noting?
* Hospitals will now be required to post their standard charges for services, which include the discounted price a hospital is willing to accept.
“This policy is a tiny step forward, but falls far short of what’s needed,” said Jeanne Pinder, the founder and chief executive of Clear Health Costs, a consumer health research organization. “The posted prices are fanciful, inflated, difficult to decode and inconsistent, so it’s hard to see how an average person would find them useful.”
* In the eight years prior to President Trump’s inauguration, prescription drug prices increased by an average of 3.6% per year. Under Trump, drug prices have seen year-over-year declines in nine of the last ten months, with a 1.1% drop as of the most recent month.
* He created a White House VA Hotline to help veterans and principally staffed it with veterans and direct family members of veterans.👀👀 It's not a White House hotline (and no, Trump has never picked up the phone as he promised), it was delayed by months and has had well documented issues actually addressing the incoming issues it's set up to resolve. All that being said it's up and running and the intent is noble so I'll mostly reserve judgment on whether it's a worthwhile addition to the 20+ other hotlines already listed on the VA website.

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"Are you sure we're going fast enough?" - Emil Zatopek

Thank you sir. Likely falls on deaf ears, but thank you.

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Suffer Well.

I echo the thanks extended by jmh. You are a gentleman and your effort is above and beyond. I am no longer retired because of this pandemic and were I not gainfully employed with the day care of 2 boys, I would take up the torch and continue your effort.

Oh yes, for the record to the OP, nope not undecided. The date to make input to that regard can not come soon enough.