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Re: There is always someone faster... [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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DFW_Tri wrote:
djhuff7 wrote:
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Make sense. And I get that it is still hard. Itā€™s not like I never draft when doing group rides. But, I would prefer there was no drafting. I guess Zwift is just catering to roadies who are used to it. Personally, I would just rather see how things stack up with no draft.


Same in Zwift, just a little bit of fun riding faster through a segment that I normally would.


Thereā€™s definitely something fun to riding along in a paceline at 25 (or whatever) MPH. Iā€™m it trying trying to be argumentative, but i fail to see how there is any ā€œfunā€ or equivalent adrenaline or satisfaction in doing the same in a video game as you donā€™t actually feel the sensation of improved speed. Sorry, Iā€™ve sidetracked this thread WAY too much already but just things Iā€˜ve thought about as I consider Zwift!

Dude, you just have to try it. It does not equal the thrills of outdoor bike racing or hard training, but I was a doubter as well yet I was amazed at how fun it was, and more importantly at how hard I work in every single Zwift race I enter, even if I'm planning to not put up an A effort. I don't even go that hard in outdoor riding, ever! It takes an activity that can really be a soul-sucking endeavour, and makes the deep suffering almost enjoyable. Almost, but not quite!
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Re: There is always someone faster... [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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DFW_Tri wrote:
Make sense. And I get that it is still hard. Itā€™s not like I never draft when doing group rides. But, I would prefer there was no drafting. I guess Zwift is just catering to roadies who are used to it. Personally, I would just rather see how things stack up with no draft.

So Zwift has time trials too, where you are on the same course as others, phased set off and drafting disabled.

What I've found is the drafting races are great fun and keep you extremely focused. The time flies by as you are absorbed in the race and the tactical element is fun. Also if you are in a competitive race whilst lasts dead on 20 minutes I almost guarantee you'll annihalate you FTP. I can punish myself on my own, but can't get near the power I can put down in a competitive scenario.
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Re: There is always someone faster... [lightheir] [ In reply to ]
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lightheir wrote:
DFW_Tri wrote:
djhuff7 wrote:
DFW_Tri wrote:
Make sense. And I get that it is still hard. Itā€™s not like I never draft when doing group rides. But, I would prefer there was no drafting. I guess Zwift is just catering to roadies who are used to it. Personally, I would just rather see how things stack up with no draft.


Same in Zwift, just a little bit of fun riding faster through a segment that I normally would.


Thereā€™s definitely something fun to riding along in a paceline at 25 (or whatever) MPH. Iā€™m it trying trying to be argumentative, but i fail to see how there is any ā€œfunā€ or equivalent adrenaline or satisfaction in doing the same in a video game as you donā€™t actually feel the sensation of improved speed. Sorry, Iā€™ve sidetracked this thread WAY too much already but just things Iā€˜ve thought about as I consider Zwift!


Dude, you just have to try it. It does not equal the thrills of outdoor bike racing or hard training, but I was a doubter as well yet I was amazed at how fun it was, and more importantly at how hard I work in every single Zwift race I enter, even if I'm planning to not put up an A effort. I don't even go that hard in outdoor riding, ever! It takes an activity that can really be a soul-sucking endeavour, and makes the deep suffering almost enjoyable. Almost, but not quite!

Fully agree. I don't know how, but I turn myself inside out as much, if not more, in a Zwift race as I do in the real world.
Thinking about strategy, testing the other riders, looking for the next opportunity all make the time go by pretty quickly. It's significantly more fun than riding base miles.

My "there's always someone faster" story:

I was heading out for a afternoon climbing workout of 3x15 minutes.
Neighbor is relaxing on his porch, see's me kitted up, asks if he can come along.
We roll over to the climb, I hit lap on the computer and bring the effort up.
Now, because I'm trying to impress him, I go a bit harder than I intended: 330w instead of my planned 310w
After a minute or two he asks "Have we started yet?" as he begins to accelerate.
I lifted the pace, trying to maintain my dignity, but cracked after a couple minutes as he rode off, besting my PR by minutes...

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Re: There is always someone faster... [runner66] [ In reply to ]
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Our local cycling club does a Segment of the Week challenge. Our first week back in town after moving I jumped in and did the segment with less than 24 hours left for the week. Took the KOM by about 20 seconds on a 361w 11 minute effort. This is in full race kit down to the calf sleeves and everything. Figured that one was pretty well locked in the bag. Less than 18 hours later, I wasn't even the fastest Ben on the segment. Turns out Ben King decided to hop into the challenge that week as well. Pretty cool getting to "compete" against him in these segments.

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Re: There is always someone faster... [lightheir] [ In reply to ]
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Even though you don't race, with a real FTP north of 270, you should feel like one of the fastest riders in public
Man I'm pressing right up against that and I don't feel that fast, even at 70kg ha. I don't get passed very often at all while just riding around, but I don't consider myself on the pointy end either.

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Re: There is always someone faster... [PJH] [ In reply to ]
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PJH wrote:
plant_based wrote:
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Always!

I got a new FTP of 370W this week which I was delighted with based on 389W for a 20 min test. FTP up 30W in 2 months.

Joined a open division flat zwift race today and couldn't hang on to the front group for more than 10 mins!

Nice! What are your racing/competition goals?

Thanks!

Since you ask, I'm new in the last 2 years to swimming, cycling and running, I did my first triathlon and first full Iromman last year and once COVID passes by I'd like to try and qualify for 70.3 WCs (other commitments pending!)

At my current rate of progression I'm confident I can get somewhere in the region of 390W - 400W FTP in the next 3 months but I'm really not sure whether that should be a goal or whether ultimately that will actually help speed up 70.3 distance bike leg. I've been considering whether to start a thread on that very topic, but imagine it has been done to death!

How heavy are you?
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Re: There is always someone faster... [fulla] [ In reply to ]
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fulla wrote:
PJH wrote:
plant_based wrote:
PJH wrote:
Always!

I got a new FTP of 370W this week which I was delighted with based on 389W for a 20 min test. FTP up 30W in 2 months.

Joined a open division flat zwift race today and couldn't hang on to the front group for more than 10 mins!


Nice! What are your racing/competition goals?


Thanks!

Since you ask, I'm new in the last 2 years to swimming, cycling and running, I did my first triathlon and first full Iromman last year and once COVID passes by I'd like to try and qualify for 70.3 WCs (other commitments pending!)

At my current rate of progression I'm confident I can get somewhere in the region of 390W - 400W FTP in the next 3 months but I'm really not sure whether that should be a goal or whether ultimately that will actually help speed up 70.3 distance bike leg. I've been considering whether to start a thread on that very topic, but imagine it has been done to death!


How heavy are you?

99lbs on Zwift?

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Re: There is always someone faster... [Engner66] [ In reply to ]
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Have you tried on a TT bike with double draft on?
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Re: There is always someone faster... [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Francois wrote:
Have you tried on a TT bike with double draft on?

lol, that's just a recipe for pain :)
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Re: There is always someone faster... [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]
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ericMPro wrote:
fulla wrote:
PJH wrote:
plant_based wrote:
PJH wrote:
Always!

I got a new FTP of 370W this week which I was delighted with based on 389W for a 20 min test. FTP up 30W in 2 months.

Joined a open division flat zwift race today and couldn't hang on to the front group for more than 10 mins!


Nice! What are your racing/competition goals?


Thanks!

Since you ask, I'm new in the last 2 years to swimming, cycling and running, I did my first triathlon and first full Iromman last year and once COVID passes by I'd like to try and qualify for 70.3 WCs (other commitments pending!)

At my current rate of progression I'm confident I can get somewhere in the region of 390W - 400W FTP in the next 3 months but I'm really not sure whether that should be a goal or whether ultimately that will actually help speed up 70.3 distance bike leg. I've been considering whether to start a thread on that very topic, but imagine it has been done to death!


How heavy are you?

99lbs on Zwift?

Haha - not quite - 92KG, 192CM and very broad (this sounds a bit too much like a dating app description)

So that puts me at the sharp end of B for most zwift races at a 4.02 w/kg (B based on Zwift power)

I know the algorithm will hit me hard on hills but I think it is plain wrong on flat races - I often end up putting in 100W extra than others on pan flat courses just to stay in the front group, it might be zwift skills, but it seems very off to me.
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Re: There is always someone faster... [MRid] [ In reply to ]
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MRid wrote:
Francois wrote:
Have you tried on a TT bike with double draft on?


lol, that's just a recipe for pain :)

I've tried racing only once really. And even though I was a beta tester, I had never bothered with the racing part. So had no idea what it meant.
I also had no idea why I had several comments along the lines of "TT bike uh? You want to hurt?" I thought it was a dig at triathletes.
Live and learn ;-)
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