I really don't understand that concern. Seems just a talking point put out by conservative pundits.

I get the same point from my European immigrant father. Also hear from him that there are lines in Europe and the care is not so good. Then I ask him if his friends in Europe are happy with their system. He says yes. I say to him, I'm not happy with our system and I'd prefer theirs.

Somehow we manage to pay for the current wasteful and corrupt system to the tune of $3.5 trillion a year. I'd take Canada's system or most any European system over ours. Those places seem to be able to afford it.

The real question is how are we going to employ the vast numbers of workers whose livelihood is tied to the healthcare insurance racket. But we'll have half a trillion extra dollars in the economy each year under Sander's system.

Why do people suddenly care how a President would pay for things? Hasn't been an issue before, why should it now?

Trump is proof our gov't is on autopilot with fully charged booster cables attached to the steering wheel to prevent the pilot from stopping it.

Despite all efforts to destroy every institution we have (now going for the SCOTUS), he can't. All he manages to do is alienate people at this point and reinforce the lowest common denominator of my party. The fact that republicans couldn't stop him, and now democrats couldn't get a single republican vote besides Romney, means that half our political system was broken. Now that Trump 2.0 in the form of Bernie Sanders means the second half will be broken.

Boys and girls, get ready for a generation of instability. Where at best, each president will be elected as a backlash of the last parties overreach. They will get two solid years after each election to pass something consequential, then have to rely on the very executive orders process they reversed from the last guy.

We saw this with Obama.

You are fooling yourself if you didn't think Obama was divisive. He was if you didn't agree with him. He rammed through Obamacare with the democrats using every parliamentary maneuver they could without popular support. He spent all his capital and had to rely on EOs the rest of his term. Trump came in, and effectively eliminated his legacy except for Obamacare. Trump got his tax cuts, and lost the house big time because he can't keep his fucking mouth shut. So now he relies on EOs. He'll get a reprieve of two more years, because the dems went full Corbyn with Bernie. So may get one more piece of consequential legislation, rinse and repeat. But after 8 years, society will be tired of "Trumpism". It will die with him leaving. Democrats will elect somebody in the likes of Warren, except more charismatic and less wonky, or maybe not and go Bernie 2.0 with a younger person. Either way, he'll either reinstate many of Obama's policy but implement on steroids with the courts having largely cleared the path for executive authority in the absence of clear law. He'll pass something crazy, and lose the house.

Rinse and repeat until this thing explodes or people finally get tired of it and elect the most boring individual in the world, but reeks of competence and isn't a smug mastermind.

We'll get maybe 75 years of stability again. Then global warming will kill us or the machines will take over.

It just boggles my mind. As an 80s child, who "survived" the Cold War, I never in a million years would have guessed a guy could not only claim to be, but run on the platform of socialism, and stand a chance being elected to any position, let alone POTUS.

When Bloomberg drops out and throws his hat and money in support of one of those 3 then it will be game on and not near as doomsday as is currently. //

I have been thinking about this ever since he got in, Tom Steyer too. They have spent so much money, just to defeat trump. Hell, Steyer was buying ads years ago to impeach him, before he ever thought of running. IF they were to both get out before it was too late, then it would be a formidable war chest to whoever they backed. But here is the problem, there may be no one left to throw their support behind the way things are going. If the national polls are right, Bernie is a clear favorite, and Mike is in 2nd or so. I just dont see him giving up if he is runner up, or even in 3rd but close to 2nd.


But elections can be funny sometimes, still laughing/crying about the last one. IF a moderate can separate from the rest by a good margin, and they are not one of the billionaires, then they would have a great chance with all that juice behind their final stretch run..

It should not boggle your mind. These people spent a large portion of their adult lives with Obama as president. He was a socialist and did a good job. Why would they be against a socialist?

Ha! Ok, fair enough!

CNN interviewed a panel of SC voters. One said that she supports Bernie because between herself and her close family members they have $130k in outstanding student loans. I'd sure vote for someone who told me they would forgive $130k of my debt. It was a genius move. 44 million people owe a total of $1.5tn in student debt. Tell 44 million people of voting age you'll give them free debt relief - of course you'll win their vote!

Does anyone really believe he can get any consensus to actually implement any of these proposals?

CNN interviewed a panel of SC voters. One said that she supports Bernie because between herself and her close family members they have $130k in outstanding student loans. I'd sure vote for someone who told me they would forgive $130k of my debt. It was a genius move. 44 million people owe a total of $1.5tn in student debt. Tell 44 million people of voting age you'll give them free debt relief - of course you'll win their vote!

"How anyone one can believe if we only gave up more of our liberties to any one of these morans that this will make our country better, is beyond me."

The answer is pretty damn obvious. The alternative is Trump.

And what liberties do you honestly think you will be giving up? Guns? You know there is a conservative SCOTUS right? Religion? You know there is a conservative SCOTUS right? The right to not have health insurance when you really need it? OK, that one we are working on.

"How anyone one can believe if we only gave up more of our liberties to any one of these morans that this will make our country better, is beyond me."

The answer is pretty damn obvious. The alternative is Trump.

And what liberties do you honestly think you will be giving up? Guns? You know there is a conservative SCOTUS right? Religion? You know there is a conservative SCOTUS right? The right to not have health insurance when you really need it? OK, that one we are working on.

You don't think every time there is expansion of government you don't give up you liberties?

Every thing Bernie stands for gives him and government pukes more power to do what they want, with your hard earned money.

That's my impression as well. But, I recognize the concerns/issues others have raised. I just hope he isn't forced out early. But, he may be about one cycle too early to take a run at POTUS.

I struggle to understand Bernie's popularity. I fully understand why he would appeal to the fringes. But, how he is leading confuses me. Then again, I said the same about Trump.

but the other side of it is that those of us who were financially prudent, picked careers they weren't necessarily crazy about but led to decent jobs, saved for their kids to go to college and paid for that from the 529 (as i do now), will be the suckers who have to then pay off the debts of others? I'm all for lowering costs going forward - something has to happen to derisk and increase social mobility, and am even ok with smart kids doing courses the country needs (doctors, engineers, certain scientists, computer geeks) getting free college in the future; but don't want to be made to feel like a sucker for doing the right thing within the current system.



......but even if elected this isn't going to happen - and i would vote for Sanders if he is the nominee

but the other side of it is that those of us who were financially prudent, picked careers they weren't necessarily crazy about but led to decent jobs, saved for their kids to go to college and paid for that from the 529 (as i do now), will be the suckers who have to then pay off the debts of others? I'm all for lowering costs going forward - something has to happen to derisk and increase social mobility, and am even ok with smart kids doing courses the country needs (doctors, engineers, certain scientists, computer geeks) getting free college in the future; but don't want to be made to feel like a sucker for doing the right thing within the current system.



......but even if elected this isn't going to happen - and i would vote for Sanders if he is the nominee

I think we have to do something about debt- but just writing off college debt seems like a huge give away to the upper middle class. Why not go after medical debt that you can buy for pennies on the dollar and would really help a lot of people who may not have college degrees? Why not do a mix where there is an income based - tax write off for debt over x% of income? I also think we should cut down interest on student loans. But Warren’s write off debt on day 1 would help a bunch of my lawyer and doctor friends who frankly don’t need the help while plenty need help on medical bills.

We need to invest in more affordable education and medical systems so we don’t just repeat this whole thing again.

So people prudent with their money get punished? That seems logical