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Re: EPO Ring in Spain Busted - 850 Injections Confiscated [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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HuffNPuff wrote:
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Seriously? Lance is a disgrace and embarrassment to all Americans. Even before his admission, there was a significant minority of people who believed he was a doper despite all his passed tests. ....

Seriously? Wow. Well, as far as doping is concerned, hopefully you feel the same way about pretty much every pro athlete in the world.

"there was a significant minority of people who believed he was a doper despite all his passed tests."....

No shit sherlock, anyone who didn't know this, knew nothing about the entire history of pro cycling.

Lance was guilty of one thing - being an a-hole to people who opposed him.
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Re: EPO Ring in Spain Busted - 850 Injections Confiscated [SBRcanuck] [ In reply to ]
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SBRcanuck wrote:

Seriously? Wow. Well, as far as doping is concerned, hopefully you feel the same way about pretty much every pro athlete in the world.


Nonsense.

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Lance was guilty of one thing - being an a-hole to people who opposed him.


Also doping. Definitely guilty of doping heavily.

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Re: EPO Ring in Spain Busted - 850 Injections Confiscated [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
SBRcanuck wrote:

Seriously? Wow. Well, as far as doping is concerned, hopefully you feel the same way about pretty much every pro athlete in the world.


Nonsense.

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Lance was guilty of one thing - being an a-hole to people who opposed him.



Also doping. Definitely guilty of doping heavily.

Also committing a hit-and-run, likely whilst intoxicate, and getting his girlfriend to lie to the cops about it. There is a police conviction and legal admission of guilt for the accident including driving after an evening of partying so the only part that's supposition is whether he was drunk or not from the party.

I am not trying to pile on LA here but at the end of the day professional athletes are people and people are complex and imperfect. So I don't think it is fair to generalised feelings about 'every pro athlete in the world' even as far as doping goes. I do not condone doping under any circumstances but that doesn't mean I have to have the same feeling about every convicted doping case.
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Re: EPO Ring in Spain Busted - 850 Injections Confiscated [scott8888] [ In reply to ]
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OK.....EVERY pro.....yes, exaggeration. But -very- fair to say its rampant in all sports, and has been for decades. I don't think it is fair to pile all the blame onto one person. There is a good reason why they had no one else to give his yellow jerseys to....
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Re: EPO Ring in Spain Busted - 850 Injections Confiscated [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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HuffNPuff wrote:
juanillo wrote:
TizzleDK wrote:


OK, let´s guess Spain is a lax country in terms of fighting doping (that I dont agree at all)...so, your Lance Armstrong, the pride of all americans won 7 TdF doped and as the guy and his whole team trained eventually in Spain, it means that Spain is the perfect country to go on a doping structure....not that Lance doped..it is Spain that is appealing to take the drugs....Lance did not want but it was so easy that he could not resist.


Seriously? Lance is a disgrace and embarrassment to all Americans. Even before his admission, there was a significant minority of people who believed he was a doper despite all his passed tests. At best, I think you could say that Lance was ONCE the pride of MOST Americans before being exposed for the fraud he was.

The term "all" is a bit much......"All" Americans don't even know who Lance Armstrong is.
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Re: EPO Ring in Spain Busted - 850 Injections Confiscated [Scottxs] [ In reply to ]
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Scottxs wrote:

The term "all" is a bit much......"All" Americans don't even know who Lance Armstrong is.

That's fair enough. There are probably a fair few that don't even know where America is!
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Re: EPO Ring in Spain Busted - 850 Injections Confiscated [monty] [ In reply to ]
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How would an effective system of vigilance work, at any cost? //

It is actually very simple, and would add almost no more cost to the drugs. And it is something that has been asked of the drug companies, but thus far, doesnt seem they care. So maybe that market off the books is bigger than we think, because all they would have to do, is to put a marker in the drug. Something that does not metabolize, and stands out like a beacon in a drug test. Do that, and then you just have to deal with illegal manufacturers, which probably is a very small % of the sports abuse of these drugs.

People don't want to pay for the cost of drug development. What makes you think they want to pay for extra cost in preventing diversion of product?
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Re: EPO Ring in Spain Busted - 850 Injections Confiscated [mbeaugard] [ In reply to ]
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People don't want to pay for the cost of drug development. What makes you think they want to pay for extra cost in preventing diversion of product? //

How about a coherent question?? What people, who is they?? And what cost are you referring to?
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Re: EPO Ring in Spain Busted - 850 Injections Confiscated [monty] [ In reply to ]
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monty wrote:
How would an effective system of vigilance work, at any cost? //

It is actually very simple, and would add almost no more cost to the drugs. And it is something that has been asked of the drug companies, but thus far, doesnt seem they care. So maybe that market off the books is bigger than we think, because all they would have to do, is to put a marker in the drug. Something that does not metabolize, and stands out like a beacon in a drug test. Do that, and then you just have to deal with illegal manufacturers, which probably is a very small % of the sports abuse of these drugs.
Are you suggesting that the manufacturers modify their existing drugs by adding a long lived marker that is detectable but has zero side effects to the patients using the drug for legitimate purposes? Perhaps it’s not as simple as you suggest to get the new drug approved by FDA and whatever other agencies need to approve it. Seems like it could be potentially quite expensive with zero return to the drug manufacturer. Maybe if they included it at the beginning but altering an existing drug seems like a tough sell to a manufacturer.
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