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panama city, panama 70.3
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HI all!

Looking for anyone who has done the 70.3 panama? thinking of registering but looking for any insight that may sway me towards this event? as apposed to Mussleman in Geneva NY?

THX
Ki-oui
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I was there the last year the race was held (2016) but couldn’t race as I had surgery scheduled like two weeks later. My brother raced. I’m going back this year and racing.

I think I wrote up a little review on the race back then so I will see if I can find it.

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Here is the 2016 race review. The only thing different so far is the host hotel but it’s near the Hilton so more or less the same. Hopefully the logistics are much better.

Race check-in: Seems like this gets worse and worse at races and not better. We did athlete check-in two days early and we still waited about 75 minutes. It was just ridiculous.

Day before bike check-in: The Hilton was about 5 miles from the transition area. There were shuttles leaving the Hilton to take people and bikes down to transition. It was kind of a clusterf**k. They had to do the same thing at Whistler for Ironman Canada but that was run as smoothly and efficiently as possible. At Whistler it was bikes in a moving van or truck, and athletes on a bus. At Panama it was just buses. So you would cram people and their bikes on a typical passenger bus. Which meant you couldn't get a lot of people or bikes on each bus.

Transition: Is one very long single file line of bikes. Transition may have been 1/3 mile long. Not kidding. Racers would have to traverse the entire T area after the swim because the swim exit was on the back side of the transition area and the bike start was at the front side.

Swim: I didn't race but this is what I could gather and my brother can chime in for further info. It's a point to point swim basically where the Panama Canal spits out into the Pacific. It's current assisted so swim times are really fast. Somehow it was wetsuit legal for AG'ers but not for pros. So water temp was supposedly around 76 degrees. I don't believe that for one second but that was the official call. The swim started an hour late because they did not have enough water craft and safety personnel. More on logistics later.

Bike: Bike was advertised as a flat two loop course. Basically an out and back from the race site to the airport done twice. The day before the race the bike course changed to some convoluted three loop course (which was actually six loops) that was beyond confusing. Even the updated course map was wrong come race day. More on logistics later.

Run: Basically an out and back done twice along the Panama Canal and Panama Bay. Flat with very little shade. It's very hot and humid in Panama at all times of the year. The race was January 31st, it was sunny, and the high reached 92 with a heat index close to 100. The run looked to be brutal. There is just no way for any of us from the U.S. to be acclimated to those conditions at this time of year. You will suffer mightily on the run. That's a guarantee.

Logistics: I'm not sure if it's cultural, or the fact Ironman doesn't actually own the race, or because Panama is a poorer country or a combination of the above but the logistics of the race were half-assed at best. I will cite some examples:

- The shuttling of bikes and people to bike check-in was so ridiculous and inefficient.
- Ridiculous they had racers waiting at the swim start for an hour without explanation. It was hot. They didn't have water.
- The change in the bike course the day before the race. I get that things happen and courses change but this was the day before and the updated map and description wasn't actually what was raced on race day. So I think it changed again on race morning. There's no excuse changing the bike course twice in the last day.
- There was zero officiating on the bike course. It looked to be a complete shit show. People were drafting, riding four abreast, passing on the right, and all that. It looked crazy at times. Very fast course though.
- There wasn't enough aid stations on the run course, IMO. It was really hot and humid. Seems they were spaced more than a mile apart but I could be wrong.
- The volunteers for the most part didn't seem to be very knowledgeable about what was going on or where things were.
- There wasn't a lot of signage around. Spectators were wandering around areas that should/were closed off.
- Racers just tossed bottles, cups, Gu packets and stuff wherever. I don't think I saw designated trash areas like we see here.
- The finish line area looked like a third world slum in India. There was garbage everywhere. Kind of gross.
- Shuttles back to hotel was same cluster as bike check-in. Bikes and people on buses.
- There were supposed to be shuttle buses at the Hilton for spectators up to 11am. I got there around 9am and there were no buses. We were told the bus company said they were stopping at 9am despite the race schedule clearly stating 11am. Anecdote: Ironman and Hilton folks were working to get that straightened out but I just decided to take a taxi which nearly got me killed when my taxi driver tried to drop me off in the El Chorrillo district of Panama because either he didn't understand where I wanted to go (not the case as I told him exactly where I was going and I can speak some Spanish) or he was frustrated with the road closures and it was taking too long to get there. El Chorrillo is kind of like the Favelas in Rio. Not a place my white American ass needed to be. Taxi driver: "Aqui!" Me: "No aqui!" While my Spanish is decent I didn't know how to say "Are you f*cking nuts?" in Spanish. He spoke zero English so we had a stalemate in the car. The Panamanian military was patrolling that area (that's how nice it is) and I asked one of the soldiers to explain to the taxi driver I needed to be elsewhere. The soldier: "You don't want to be here in this area." Me: "I know I don't want to be here, tell my taxi driver that."

In summary, the area was pretty cool. It's very hot and humid. Travel easy. Hotels modern and fine. Food great. If you don't know any Spanish it could be a challenge at times. I was kind of surprised by the lack of English speakers -- it was no problem at hotels, hit and miss at restaurants, mostly a miss with taxi drivers. Race logistics and organization were poor. I'd give a lukewarm recommendation. I would highly recommend if they could straighten out the logistics. Until then, if you can put up with some hiccups you'll be fine.

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Thank GMAN!

Wow far more info than I was expecting and greatly appreciated, may brave it as the area intrigues me? Used to Mt Tremblant so lack of organization will be a shocker!! notice you are doing musselman this year? done this before?
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Re: panama city, panama 70.3 [Ki-oui] [ In reply to ]
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I have not done it, but if I was interested, my first question would be...what is the likelihood that it will really happen as opposed to being stuck with airfare and prepaid bills I might not be able to recover if it were cancelled - again.
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Re: panama city, panama 70.3 [Ki-oui] [ In reply to ]
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Ki-oui wrote:
Thank GMAN!

Wow far more info than I was expecting and greatly appreciated, may brave it as the area intrigues me? Used to Mt Tremblant so lack of organization will be a shocker!! notice you are doing musselman this year? done this before?

I have not done Musselman before. I was registered for the race in 2011 (grew up in the Syracuse area) but we had a death in the family four days prior to the race so I couldn't make it.

Here are a couple of maps to give you reference for Panama City. Map 1 shows the Panama Marriott (blue oval) which is the host hotel according to info on the race website. That area is the modern downtown Panama City with all the hotels, skyscrapers, restaurants, etc. The black oval further south is the the main race site next to the Biomuseo. You are going to want to stay in one of the western, modern hotels up near where the Marriott is located, or alternatively people like to stay at the Hilton or Hard Rock or the dozens of other places.

Map 2 shows the area closer to the race site. The black oval shows you where the old historic Panama City (Casco Veijo) is located. It's a very cool place and worth visiting. There's several boutique hotels located in Casco Veijo that looked very nice. There's also a bunch of restaurants, bars, and coffee shops. Notice the red rectangled area that basically borders Casco Viejo. That's El Chorrillo. You do not want to be there... ever. It's a poor and rough, rough neighborhood. That's the place I mentioned in my review that reminded me of the favelas in Rio de Janiero. I also green ovaled a smaller resort area (Playa Bonita) southeast of the Biomuseo across the Panama Bay. So in theory you could stay in Casco Viejo or Playa Bonita. Those areas are certainly much closer than downtown. The problem with staying in Casco Viejo is that you need to stay there and not stray outside that area into El Chorrillo. The other problem with both Casco Viejo and Playa Bonita is getting to and from the race area. There's shuttles if staying at/near the host hotel downtown. I have no idea how you'd get to/from the race if staying anywhere other than near the host hotel.

Map 3 shows the closest hotel option to the race site (Radisson) which is right next to the swim start at the Balboa Yacht Club. Problem with that is it's proximity to not the nicest parts of town plus there's not a lot down there when it comes to restaurants and such.

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Re: panama city, panama 70.3 [HuffNPuff] [ In reply to ]
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HuffNPuff wrote:
I have not done it, but if I was interested, my first question would be...what is the likelihood that it will really happen as opposed to being stuck with airfare and prepaid bills I might not be able to recover if it were cancelled - again.

Seems like they're going forward with it this year but there's still eight months to screw it up. I have not bought plane tickets yet.

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Well, I can't run anyway but I do hope it goes off. The track record of that race is pretty grim though.
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