windywave wrote:
chaparral wrote:
Yeeper wrote:
DavHamm wrote:
windywave wrote:
Allenreid5478 wrote:
We already have gun control. I spent 10 years of my life working for ATF in El Paso, Atlanta and Baltimore. Gun control doesn’t stop people hell bent on causing harm. Every blue jacket I submitted to an AUSA was on someone already prohibited by federal law from being in possession of a firearm. If these juveniles are under 18, they’re already breaking a gun control “law” for possession of a rifle and if it’s a handgun and they’re under 21, the same. I’ll piss some of you off with this but maybe generations of kids raised without a father present providing direction to young boys (white kids, black kids and everyone else) is a larger problem that we seem to not care about.Rah-Roh you touched the third rail by implying that it's the people using the the gun and not an inanimate object that kills people.
I always laugh when I read that.. Never seen a person yet killed by an energy beam gun.. Oh wait they don't exist. We don't seem to have a problem with Machine guns being used to kill people, oh wait, we regulated them out of common existence.
Last time I looked a person can not throw a piece of metal at the velocity of a gun. Its not an either or problem, its a BOTH problem.
But I have said for 3 or 4 years now, American's don't want to solve this problem, we are ok with shit like this and school shootings happening. So it will all continue. We are smart enough, if really decided we had enough we would find a way to fix it.
But as long as folks want to just throw out shit like Guns don't kill people, people do.. We wont get anywhere.
I think I saw windy that you have a kid now. Wonder how your attitude will change, when you get the call your kids school is in lock down cause of an active shooter. 2 kids in College both have had active shooters.
You really think we're OK with this? You think we dont care? Responsible owners are the ones who preach proper gun safety and proper gun control the most!
Many smart people have agreed that we have lost the ability to address the mental health component. So without changes to allow individuals to be approached regarding suspected mental health or safety issues, then Im going to say the same thing to you.
If people could get off their moral high horse, theyd realize unchecked mental health is an issue and we've had enough, then we'd find a way to fix it.
Ahhh, so that is why Canada has so much less gun violence. Or every other advanced country. Must be how much better they address mental health issues.
Is your suggestion that we adopt those other countries health care policies?
They have a lower burden for involuntary commitment
How would involuntarily committing people solve the problem, since people with mental illness are not more likely to commit gun violence.
Are you suggesting that we commit people without mental illness? Because someone committing gun violence is most likely not going to have mental illness.