Nah. They’re now just testing the software and adding bugs to it and see what happens.

I am positive that you have met flat earthers. They think that the "roundies" (I have no idea if that's what they call us, but I like the term that I just made up) think that they are idiots (its true, we do). So it behooves them to keep their flat-earthism to themselves.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Sir Bedevere: "...and that is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped."

King Arthur: "This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep's bladders can be used to prevent earthquakes."

Sir Bedevere: "Certainly, my liege!"

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"You can never win or lose if you don't run the race." - Richard Butler

Actually that makes enough sense. Any being that is able to create the earth and everything on it, would be able to create fossils that make it look like everything was old.

I have just one question. If they created everything last Thursday, why did they implant memories in the minds of my wife and I that I had told her she needed to quit eating as much as I do and exercise more? Do they enjoy causing grief for poor innocent men like myself?

That’s because God has decided to fuck with Florida. Obviously.

And just to have a little more fun, they implant memories in her head of conversations, but forget to implant them in mine.

When did I ever say that we would go furniture shopping? That's just silly.

And why would I say that we would watch a chick flick on Saturday night while we sat in the jacuzzi tub together. Actually, you can disregard that one, I know exactly why I would say that.

Point of clarification.. 2 antipodal points? .. Antipodal points would come in pairs, so did you cross 1 pair of anitpodal points, or 2 pair of antipodal point.. Inquiry minds want to know... And how the hell did you figure it out? Did you plan it ahead of time or figure out afterward?

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

It’s aliens. Within seconds of giving birth to my first born, I saw him and realized that he was an alien, and I had been tricked by my alien husband to be the host to that little critter. It’s so clever and devious to create pregnancy and the emotional attachment that goes with it. It’s all a trick to enslave women to the alien men. You don’t need science to know a newborn is an alien. I’m pretty sure aliens are behind everything. It’s all so messed up!

Point of clarification.. 2 antipodal points? .. Antipodal points would come in pairs, so did you cross 1 pair of anitpodal points, or 2 pair of antipodal point.. Inquiry minds want to know... And how the hell did you figure it out? Did you plan it ahead of time or figure out afterward?



I didn't plan on anything, wasn't even sure of the route when I started.

In 2018, a guy I know did a bike ride around the world to establish a world record and the requirement to get a recognized record, "..the journey must be ridden through 2 approximate antipodal points.'

The problem is that there aren't many antipodal points without one being in an ocean. The pairs that are possible include China/Argentina, Malysia/Peru and Spain/New Zealand. Since I biked across Spain and the length of New Zealand, I figured I crossed them.

So, I figured it out later and also, did not see and edge but according to Blep, it's only because I didn't go to Antarctica, or cross the ice-wall, which makes sense if you think about it...

So the next time that you meet one, ask them why a Foucault Pendulum rotates with respect to the surface over which it's swinging.

... I looked it up, and the flat earthers claim that lots of people have obtained poor results trying to test with pendulums, so obviously any test using the pendulum that illustrates the earth spinning as predicted by spherical-earth theory, is faked.

They claim the same thing for tests done using ring laser gyros (which I've done myself - it's damn cool) or MEMS gyros (this is understandable, since commercial MEMS gyros are currently too noisy to show the earth rotation).

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Less is more.

From Michigan Dunes, Chicago skyline.

Optical illusion my friend.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Isn't that similar to the Game of Thrones storyline?

Yes, It's hard to refute the Flat Earther's photo of the eclipse. : )

Yeah, but the answers are always a deflection. It's sort of pointless to engage, really. If you watched that Netflix documentary Behind the Curve, there was a guy who used a RLG and got the predicted 15 degree per hour spin, but attributed it to "the heavenly energies."

Conspiracy theories are not based on facts, so facts won't dislodge them.

I would have thought those would be taller.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

I like that there is no Trump Tower in this picture...

Hmmm... I disagree with you and iron_mike on this. I don't think the "flats" are so monolithic. Yes, at the top you've got the liars and the hucksters. We're never going to convince them. For them it's just a game and changing your mind isn't part of it. However, you also have the dupes. If these flat assholes are not countered in effective ways we will have a growing number of dupes. I recently watched a video by Michelle Thaller from NASA arguing against a flat earth -- it was terrible. All her examples where from very uncommon observations that required the information to come from mediums that the flats are taught never to trust. Almost worse than nothing.

Proving easily and conclusively that the earth is a sphere is difficult to do in an internet environment where your opponent can just spout bullshit until people give up. IMO, the best way to counter the flats is not to prove the earth is a sphere, but to prove that the flat model is wrong. There are many easy observations to disprove that -- once again IMO.

Yes, I understand that it seems ridiculous to have to learn flat earth theory enough to disprove it. If we continue like we are now we're going to lose a ton of people to the hucksters.

Stepping off the soap box...

I went down that route with creationists for like a decade an a half. Yes most are dupes rather than charlatans but that doesn't mean they were duped by a better model. They were duped for social/religious/cultural reasons and no amount of showing them a better model will make a difference.

I've dealt with conspiracy theorists professionally a lot over the last 20 years or so, and I've found facts will sway a very small percentage of them. And there aren't very many liars and hucksters, and there aren't that many dupes. The majority of people have fairly standard reasoning skills, but they have personalities that make it more important that they feel like they are "in the know" and special than correct and non-special.

It's sort of like political party affiliation. Most people have an almost knee-jerk defense of their political party to the point where they'll see a fact in a totally different light than they would if it were relating to the opposing party. They aren't liars or hucksters or dupes - they just have certain needs that are more important than being objectively correct.

There's a video on Youtube of a bunch of famous flat Earthers present at a simple test where a boat disappears over the horizon. It's done in a number of ways will lasers, etc., right in front of the flat Earthers, and when the tester asks the flatters what they think, they simply respond it wasn't enough to convince them. That's it. Direct evidence you can't refute, and they didn't try to refute it - they just said it didn't convince them.

I once had a months-long conversation with the world's leading proponent of the Expanding Earth Theory. The is the idea that if you rewind continental drift and slowly subtract out the oceanic tectonic plates, the continents fit together on a smaller, oceanless ball. The key point of this belief is that there is no subduction happening between the oceanic and continental plates. As you might guess, for this to be a real thing, all of physics would have to be utterly upended. I mean all of it, and amazingly, there are vast, elaborate ideas to describe this new physics. But what was just amazing was that if subduction is real, the entire theory falls apart, yet instead of focusing their attention on proving subduction does or doesn't happen, they spend a hundred times more energy creating new physics and new theories to support their position. They aren't interested in the truth; they're interested feeling they know reality better than nearly anyone else.

Are you talking about flat earthers or how people view politics?