I find that I have been getting a lot more drunk after 3 or 4 bottles of Jim Beam than used to after 3 or 4 beers.

But I wouldn't want to reduce the volume now that I am consuming hard liquor. That would be crazy.

I've never dabbed and weed just isn't my thing, so take this all with a grain of salt.

But...dabbing is extracted and concentrated THC, vaporized and inhaled. As with anything, the dosage is what's important. To tag onto the other poster's reply...if having a couple beers is like smoking a joint, some people who dab could be compared to someone who likes a vodka on the rocks after dinner, and other people who dab could be compared to the guy at the pool party who chugs a bottle of vodka with a straw stuck in it so he can drink it faster.

I think the dabbing subculture kind of tends towards the latter, but maybe that's just some confirmation bias.

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thanks you two.
one of the claims mj users make is that it's all natural, DAB is made with chemicals and per my understanding the chemicals are still baked into the goods. but i'm far from a walter white brain when it comes to chemistry. i've read that it's as hazardous to make as meth.

between the chemicals and increased potency i'm concerned about addictive tendencies with this stuff.

thanks again

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An old co-worker of mine is a very highly functioning daily MJ user. And by daily I mean 2-3 times a day for 30ish years. He occasionally uses DAB at home.

He doesn't seem to notice any difference between the two other then potency. He likes it as he can get the same effect as MJ while smoking less.

If the person is young or inexperienced with drugs I'd be a lot more concerned, as it appears that is where people run in to trouble. It is so strong they don't know how much they are taking and I believe it has been linked to some extended episodes of psychosis and hospitalization.

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I echo what the others have said.

With respect to this part: <<for those who smoke pot, i'm going to assume that if your kid were smoking it you'd be ok with it. would you be ok if they were smoking DAB>>


I would not agree with that initial assumption. My understanding of current research is that MJ has different, more detrimental effects on developing brains than on adult ones. To the extent I would be asked to pass judgment/express concern about anyone's MJ use, I'd be more concerned about a kid or adolescent using than I would an adult.

wow, that's a really great point.

a quick search confirms what i thought when you brought up the developing brain topic, it's believed that our brains dont fully develop until mid-20s.
which, to me, seems like a tough life lesson. if you want to smoke you prob shouldn't do it until your brain is fully developed. but most people who do smoke, i'm guessing/assuming, begin in their teens. if you make it to your mid to late 20s and dont smoke then you probably wont. pure speculation on my part here.

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Dabbing has been around for at least a decade now. It merely appears to be something new because (a) it is being featured on the internet and (b) commercial labs have started producing it.

For those with chronic conditions, dabbing may actually be better than smoking pot. Heating the cannabis produces a sticky oil referred to as wax, shatter, budder, and/or butane hash oil. It is concentrated THC. The "benefit" is that smaller amounts may be used to treat serious conditions. In addition, when smoking cannabis, the paper and flame can cause damaging smoke in the lungs. Dabbing eliminates the burning paper and the volume of cannabis that may otherwise have to be smoked to obtain relief.

The dangers come primarily in the making of the product. First, it involved butane gas and flame, which is dangerous. Second, if cooked too long, it can burn, which causes carcinogens to possibly form.

If purchased from a lab, these risks are gone.

Yes, it is much stronger. Whether that "creates" addiction is debatable. Much like alcohol addiction or any other type of addictions, there is a risk for those with addictive personalities. But, it is highly questionable about whether it "causes" addiction.

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Dab is usually just THC, CBD, or combination of both in distillate form. No different than the stuff that comes in disposable Cannabis vape cartridges. In fact, I buy Dab in a syringe that I use to refill refillable cartridges because it is a third to half the cost per gram than buying it prepackaged in a cartridge.

THC in pretty much any form is activated by heat. Raw THC isn't very useful in unheated form. So taking a distillate and just putting some on or under your tongue will have effect, but the yield of free THC is low. Dab is used in many ways. As stated above, where you simply vape it (heated), you can add to an actual cigarette or joint to boost it (very common), you can use it in baked goods (heat from baking activates it), or you can poor some on a pan and heat to a resin which you can consume (the most ghetto form).

I don't really know much beyond using in a vape cartridges and I have family that use it in joints. So don't know how effective the other means are. But vaping definitely is more effective than smoking.

thanks.

i think i've got a better grasp of what DAB is and what it's not.
when i saw the reference of DAB on the drug show, after hearing that the person mentioned getting some DAB, i then questioned if it was mj they were referencing.

medical mj is legal in my state, not recreational, so i'm guessing they are getting their DAB from nefarious sources. which that in and of itself carries dangers imo.

i cant tell yall how thankful i am for everyone who's passed along the intel here.

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I hate to use a cigarette analogy as I have never smoked one and never will, but from what I gather, would you like a Marlboro Red or a Marlboro Light?

A lot of people dab because they have created such a high tolerance from other methods of consumption so they need that extra potency to get the same feeling. On the bright side, you can look at it as they are making a positive economic decision as dabbing is the cheapest form of consumption and the effects typically last the longest. In my very unscientific opinion, dabbing is much more healthy than smoking flower in any form. It's simpler, cleaner, and much less smoke enters the lungs. That said, I still prefer flower or edibles as I don't need the potency of dabs. I live with someone who is a high functioning 3x/day dabber. Solely based on that, I would have no problem at all letting my daughter (if i had one) date him. However, my thoughts on MJ probably differ from most. I would be much more concerned if he drank alcohol to the same extent.

re: the bold.
i see this as a bad thing. if i drink 2 beers a night this week then need 3 beers a night next week for the same buzz i'll prob need 5 beers the following and so on. i dont see that as a good trend.

i understand the up side, less of the smoke cuz dab is more potent. if one goes from smoking to dabbing and keeps the amount of TCH ingestion the same then dabbing is definitely better. but how many people say, if i'm ingesting X amount of TCH with the joints, i only need Y amount of dab to equal the X from the joint. what i'm taking away is that the users wants/needs more TCH and dabbing is a way to do it cheaper and cleaner. hence my question about addiction.

i agree with JSA, and i think i posed my question wrong regarding addiction. i've a long line of alcoholics in my family and dated a woman who drank herself to death in her 40s so i'm pretty knowledgable on addiction. this continued increase in potency of mj, which is a way to ingest THC, is the claim that mj is not addictive no longer valid? is there a level in the human that one could get to that would make it addictive? i know that the addiction come from the person, not the chemical, so i'm not saying someone became addicted because of the THC, just that theyre addicted to the THC. so would it be more correct to say that THC is an addictive substance? if that were the case. because with the creation of edibles, and probably other ways that i just dont know about, you dont need to smoke a joint to get the THC and it's the THC people are after.

thanks for the info and dialog folks

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Great questions.

I'm no addiction specialist and I would not argue with someone saying MJ has psychologically addictive traits. However, for those same reasons one could say I am addicted to mountain biking as well. Again, not going to put up a fight arguing over that because I see how it could be classified as addiction. I've never thought MJ has physically addictive properties though. Sure, I don't poop or sleep as well when I take a break, but does that count? If my roommate quit cold turkey, there is zero percent chance of him dying (unlike alcohol), but I would be interested to see if there was anything else that happened. I'm happy there is more testing going on and it will be great when MJ is no longer considered a schedule 1 narcotic. Still so much to learn about it.

yeah, i'm here asking questions and learning, not analyzing data for legislation.


it's a self prescribed anxiety fix.
they did have a pretty traumatic event happen in their childhood so i'm not dismissing that they may have some issues. i dont know the extent of the therapy that they've sought, but i know they've been in therapy. the fact that they've been to therapy though and dont have a medical Rx for anything though is suspect to me. i'm not a doctor and neither are they so i dont believe either one of us are qualified to make the decision whether this is in their best interest.

i will admit that the mj debate is a tough one for me.
it's been driven into most of our heads that drugs are bad, mmmm-kay, yet we can purchase alcohol in limitless amounts. i can look up stats and see how many people are killed by drunk driving each year but we still keep selling booze. i dont think there are nearly as many mj related accidents, ratio wise, as there are alcohol wise on the roads. mj use in public is still in it's infancy so i know we're still logging data to make an honest comparison. as with almost everything that involves humans, it's not uncommon that the human is the lowest common denominator.

when the woman i dated was in rehab the first time i'd go to class with her for support, we were both in our 40s. because of the alcoholics in my life, pretty much since birth, everything i heard i pretty much knew only now i was hearing it from someone trained in the field. (not that this makes it gospel in any way, but i put some amount of trust that what the councilors were saying was supported with fact.) the one thing that i did not realize until i sat in one of the classes is that whether you were addicted to alcohol, coke, meth, it didnt matter. all the addicts were in the same classroom. that actually opened my mind to mj legalization.

my biggest concern when i made my OP was:
1.) was this person being honest with us that what it is he is smoking (dab) is mj?
2.) what's the significance of smoking dab vs plain ole mary jane?

is it even still referenced as mary jane? i think i'm dating myself with that reference.
thanks again y'all

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1) close enough. more precise is to say that people who dab and people who smoke weed are both using THC (and various other compounds of interest).
2) it really really depends, and there's no way to know where this person is without asking. as has been pointed out, some people dab because it's cheap and there aren't any nasties and they can really precisely control dosage. other people are ripping 1-gram dabs from contraptions that look like torture devices and/or bongs on steroids (this goes back to the comparison I drew between the quiet-vodka-after-dinner guy vs. chugging-a-bottle-at-pool-party guy).

to put a hopeful spin on what this person might be doing, lots of people are using THC now specifically because they can precisely measure smaller doses and never really get high (this is called microdosing). so if that's the case, I'd say it's way below the threshold of things you should worry yourself with.

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thanks reno.

i'd heard this person had mentioned dab, i thought it was just a current name for mj. then i just happen to see a Drugs, Inc. episode where they are making dab. my alert level went full red due to my ignorance.

in our house you dont smoke cigarettes so youre not going to be smoking anything else here. we dont discriminate...no smoking. so around the house i'm not concerned. what and how we deal with this as a family will play out over time but y'all have given me some more knowledge to help address and deal with things as they happen.

thanks so much for everyone's time and help.

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The beauty of distillates and edibles is the ability to dial in the dosage whether you vape, eat or consume the resins. I never enjoyed smoking weed and recall nothing but negative experiences in college. I was always more of a drinker, but quit long ago. Now in older age, my body feels all the abuse I've done from various extreme sports I've done chasing some sort of adrenaline high.

For the last two years I've stuck to a 10 MG limit which is equivalent to a joint. I don't like the high, and even when I was new to the medicinal MJ, my intolerance could push me just to the high threshold, but usually going to bed anyways. Now, I get all the benefits, and limited high since I've dialed in the dose.

Also, CBD has an adverse impact on THC. A family friend is a vet who has gotten into the CBD business and his company holds class one experiment licenses (however that works). He even lectures on the topic. CBD occupies the neural transmitters that THC needs to create euphoria. So if you do 50/50, the dosage of THC, say 10mg will not feel like 10mg of thc taken without the CBD added to the mixture. In fact, you almost need to have a 10:1 ratio to keep your overall dosages low and get the THC effect. So you could smoke a whole joint, but if you take in 5 mg of CBD through other means, you will not get as high as you usually do smoking that same joint. You would almost need to smoke 5 joints, take some serious gravity bong hits, or eat a 50 mg bar to start feeling a reasonable high.

I don't know what dosages like that would do to you otherwise. Your numbers would also be through the roof in a blood test.

That's very interesting.

I tried pot for the first time in my 30's. Now, I use it very sparingly, usually as im walking the dog around the block before bed, as it really helps with sleep and anxiety. However, I have never felt high. The stuff my wife picks up from the dispensary labels the thc and cbd content, and they are usually pretty balanced. I wonder if that is why I don't really feel anything.

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