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Injury Help - Posterior Tibialis Tendonitis? Recovery Success?
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Questions based on description below:
-What do you think about Posterior Tibialiis Tendonitis diagnosis based on my symptoms?
-What is the best way to treat this, while still trying to be competitive at half-distance racing
-Are there any products, shoes, insoles, etc. worth trying?
-Any particular stretching or stimulation worth trying?
-Should I see a pediatrist or other specialist to deal with this?
-What's the "reality" with my injury. What's it actually going to take to get better

Background: I'm 6' roughly 170-175 pounds. Been a soccer/basketball/tennis player all my life. My main events are 70.3 races. I am sub 5 hours and recently finished top 25% age group at IM 70.3 Virginia. About 24 months ago when I started triathlon I was running 10-12 miles aweek. About 20 months ago went from running about 10-12 miles a week to closer to 20. Then went for a long run of 16 miles (I know now that was stupid) and afterwards could barely place weight on my right foot for two weeks (I don't recall doing anything weird during the run itself). I saw an orthopedic physician and they ran x-rays, which were negative for any kind of fracture. He recommended PT.


Two physical therapists that I've seen over the past 14 months think I have posterior tibialis tendonitis in my right foot/calf. I don't know if they are right. My symptoms began on the sudden long run. Over time, the symptoms have stabilized to running induced pain on medial (inner) portion of right foot. I can stimulate the pain by dorsiflexion plus arching. The pain is in an area about two inches below the ankle bone protrusion and about half inch above the arch. I have medium to high arches. If I lay off running for a week, I have little to no pain. But it will come back if I run for 30 minutes or longer. It's not a strong pain, so I can and do tough it out if I have to run longer distances.

To address the problem I took 6 weeks off from running and did PT 2-3x per week when the problem first arose. It came back after a few weeks of running, but I just toughed it out to finish last season. Then I took 8 weeks off running in the fall, seemed like I had it under control, only for it to come back again around April. Seems if I run more than 15 miles per week outdoors, it gets aggravated. Runs of more than 5 miles outdoors definitely aggravate it. Each experience with PT was more or less the same: some dry needling plus various strength/balance exercises targeting arch in right foot and posterior chain.

I wear superfeet orange inserts in my running shoes (Nike Zoom Structure 22) and have Specialized +++ high-arch insoles for my cycling shoes. I think they help, but I definitely still overpronate in my right foot while running.

Does anyone have advice from dealing with this type of injury? I really do not want to stop running altogether. I can manage my work load, take days off between runs, etc. but I'd rather be able to run 25+ miles a week, and preferably do at least 15+ outdoors.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!

CG
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Re: Injury Help - Posterior Tibialis Tendonitis? Recovery Success? [CeeGee90] [ In reply to ]
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Are you doing anything to strengthen your feet, ankles, calves? Perhaps include in your core workouts exercises that work to specifically strengthen foot muscles such as alternating/isolated single-foot balance, toe/towel grabs and wobble board, etc. Search for many options available for variety. Also, using Superfeet orthotics may be exasperating the issue. You should be working to strengthen foot and ankle naturally and not rely only on Superfeet (or any insole) to cure the problem.
Last edited by: Brushman: Jun 2, 19 7:36
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Re: Injury Help - Posterior Tibialis Tendonitis? Recovery Success? [CeeGee90] [ In reply to ]
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I have dealt with post-tib tendinitis on and off for 7+ years. Your experience does not really reflect mine in terms of where the pain is and the fact that you can run 30min no issues... but doesn't mean it's not the same thing. Given the length of time you've been dealing with this, it is unlikely a bone issue, although x-rays will never pick up stress fractures, so if you do suspect that, i would suggest going to get some other testing done (bone scan, MRI, CT scan, ultrasound, etc). I would suggest seeing someone who deals with sport-specific orthotics. I got mine and they greatly reduced the occurrence of injury. Following your physio's suggestions for strength work etc would also be a good idea. Trying to run through the pain seems like a terrible idea, but that's just me. Triathlon shouldn't be about reducing training load to try and survive the pain, you should get your shit figured out and then go and smash it and have a blast doing it, not worrying about whether Sunday's long run is going to set off your tendon pain again and cause more time off.
I wish you all the best and hope you can get back to running as much as you want, when you want.
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Re: Injury Help - Posterior Tibialis Tendonitis? Recovery Success? [CeeGee90] [ In reply to ]
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Our experiences are almost identical. I'm about the same size as you with a soccer background that started tri 3 years ago with similar top 25%-35% AG results. I have similar pain that started back in January after I sprained my ankle. I was able to run with a dull pain for 30-60 minutes before it really bothered me. I'd come home from a run and after an hour, I wouldn't be able to walk. This lasted through April when I finally started to take a serious break from running.

I'm now able to run 25 miles outside relatively pain free.

Here's what I did:
1. Took 7 weeks mostly off from running (I did complete a HIM and IM in those 7 weeks, but no running outside of those two events)
2. Ran narrower shoes. I realized a lot of the stress was coming from landing on the outside of my foot.
3. Put insoles in my everyday walking shoes but not my running shoes. This reduced the stress on the tendon during every day life.
4. Switched from 3 mid to long runs per week to 5 shorter runs with 1 longer run. I use to run something like 7.5-7.5-10. Now I run something similar 2-5-2-5-2-9
5. Wear compression socks (pro compression PC racers), tape my ankle, or wear a flexible ankle sleeve (pro-tec 3d flat sleeve). For longer runs I do two of those things.
6. Changed my running route. Some of the sidewalks in my neighborhood are tilted at an angle, so I try to avoid those streets as they place additional stress on either the peroneal or posterior tibial tendons.
7. Slowed my pace by 30 seconds/mile. I noticed the pain was worse after faster workouts... I'd rather run slow than not run at all. If you move your runs to a hotter part of the day... you'll go slower anyway. When it's time to race, I'll pay the price after the race. But today's training shouldn't sacrifice tomorrow's training.

I also started rolling my calves and doing some additional stretching. I don't know if that's helped or not. Good luck!
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Re: Injury Help - Posterior Tibialis Tendonitis? Recovery Success? [CeeGee90] [ In reply to ]
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Get a MRI. I thought I had PTT and it ended up being a detached ligament which eventually required surgery to re-attach. Even after taking months off running and wearing a walking boot, my pain came back immediately when I tried to run again. Prior to surgery I dealt with the injury for a couple years and was able to get by but it eventually got to the point where it hurt to walk.
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Re: Injury Help - Posterior Tibialis Tendonitis? Recovery Success? [bearlyfinish] [ In reply to ]
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how long of a break did you end up having to take and how did you get back to running after the break?

I'm pretty much identical to both of you. I hurt mine last July/August and haven't been able to shake this thing since. I took completely off from mid-October to end of November. No improvement when just taking time off so I went to see a doctor. He confirmed the PTT and I got a MRI. That showed severe tendonitis. Started going to PT after that and took another full month off. My plan was to run a marathon in April so starting in February I began running again. Unfortunately, no real change since getting injured.

In my case, I can pretty much run as long as I want without making it worse. I've done an ironman, 2 marathons and a half ironman on it with no real soreness or problems the next day. The only time I've felt soreness the next day was after a hard 6 mile temp run. What has made a difference in the pain is self massage around the ankle and arch of my foot, rolling my calf, and slowing down my everyday run paces by about 15-30 seconds. My plan now is to get through this season just running slower and keeping up with the massage. Then I'll go back to the doctors and talk with him about my next steps. My PT mentioned PRP or a cortisone shot but to talk with the doctor and see what he thinks. I have a feeling he'll be putting me in a boot but not sure about the PRP or cortisone.
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Re: Injury Help - Posterior Tibialis Tendonitis? Recovery Success? [FuzzyRunner] [ In reply to ]
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I took 7 weeks off of running. Then I tried to run 7.5 miles the first day back which was a big mistake and I couldn't walk afterwards. I took a few more days off and tried to run 2 miles every other day. Then I ran 2 miles six days a week. Then I moved to a BarryP 2-4-6 plan.

I had some initial pain and soreness the first few days back, but I run through it for about a week. I always have Achilles soreness after an extended running break. It typically takes 7-10 days for it to completely disappear. Because of my experience with my AT, I gave myself 10 days to see if my PTT pain would fade. The dull pain seemed to fade every day I ran. I haven't incorporated any faster pace running yet and I'm a bit scared to until my season is over.
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Re: Injury Help - Posterior Tibialis Tendonitis? Recovery Success? [bearlyfinish] [ In reply to ]
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It took me around a year and a half to make it bearable i got it on my first year of triathlon and blamed it on running but i played football 3 or 4 days a week since i was young and never had any bother so i should have been quicker to look at the bike. I took a few weeks of biking and noticed it starting to get better. In the end i got custom orthotics for my cycling shoes and redrilled my shoes back far enough for a mid foot cleat position which took the flex out of the ankle and stopped the irritation.
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