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Re: Top 10 Tri Bikes of all time [quintana who] [ In reply to ]
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C4 Joker? Loved the look of them, but maybe not aero or light?

When I started in 1998, the Kestrel KM40 and Softride Powerwing were the most desirable US frames, they overshadowed the GT/Tiemeyer aero frames but were most probably not as fast.

The UK had the Hotta and many custom steel TT bikes. The Lotus had issues...

The Germans and Danish loved their Principias which were ultra stiff QR copies.

But really the C4s were the most stunning. If I recall correctly the Joker won bike of the year in 1997 for being stiff and compliant with a clever beam-like design. Like the KM 40 it was way ahead of it's time and with more modern carbon fibre manufacturing techniques would still be a looker today.

Alas for C4 the southern Europe contingent stuck to road geometry until the mid 2000s, and Marco moved onto building carbon fibre diving fins.
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Re: Top 10 Tri Bikes of all time [SteveMc] [ In reply to ]
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The Cervelo P3 took triathlons by storm but it was the Trek Speed Concept that became the modern day standard. When it came out it had everything.
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Re: Top 10 Tri Bikes of all time [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Then the Germans all started riding Kuotas after 2006!

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Re: Top 10 Tri Bikes of all time [bluntandy] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, I was going to put the Lotus on the list but not a tri bike.

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Re: Top 10 Tri Bikes of all time [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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Shiv? Not the Shiv Tri...

refthimos wrote:
Tier 1:
  • Kestrel 4000
  • QR Kilo
  • Zipp 2001
  • Hooker Elite
  • Litespeed Blade
  • Cervelo P3C

Tier 2:
  • GT Project 96
  • Obree Egg Bike
  • Softride
  • English Mk2

Honorable Mention:
  • The "Peak Aero" Bikes (P5, Speed Concept, Shiv)
  • Cat Cheetah
  • Indurain 1995 Pinarello
  • Felt TA FRD

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Re: Top 10 Tri Bikes of all time [lacticturkey] [ In reply to ]
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lacticturkey wrote:
The Trek speed concept might have been the biggest single tech leap in one package... A format that other companies took a while to catch up:
- tt dedicated carbon geometry
- integrated stem and bar system
- integrated top tube storage
- integrated seat tube storage
- integrated front fork brakes
- hidden rear brake
- completely internal cable routing
- cam tail foils
- smaller rear triangle
- huge factory color options
-released with several packages not just super bike


The speedmax and plasma could be the closest to peak tech evolution with integrated hydration added

Personally, I hate all the integrated stuff, and Treks are so FUGLY. Give me a clean looking bike that's easy to wrench.
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Re: Top 10 Tri Bikes of all time [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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Agree and this was a bit part of why I thought the P3C was the most game changing of sorts without making it too difficult to use. I owned the first Speedconcept 9.9 and loved riding the bike and it was light and felt stiff and was super clean....but it was really a pain to adjust and work on and having owned the P3C before I would glady stick with an easy to work on new p3c looking back vs the benefits of the integrated speed concept.

I guess we are talking about bikes that took it to an entirely new level. Arguments could be made going a long ways back so impossible to agree I'm sure with any real consensus on here.
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Re: Top 10 Tri Bikes of all time [Hydrosloth] [ In reply to ]
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How about the Javelin:



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Re: Top 10 Tri Bikes of all time [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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i think the kestrel 4000 came before the 200 and was road geometry. the km40 shifted to forward tri/tt mode. for a time schwinn owned kestrel and sold some rebranded 4000s (mark allen rode one in kona).
of the cervelos, i really think the original aluminum p2 was truly groundbreaking. i guess i’ve been around long enough to have seen and owned a lot of these mentioned, from my qr superform se (raider color), to an early kestrel km40, aluminum felt b2 (fast but noodly), litespeed blade, hooker elite tt, cervelo aluminum p2, bmc tt02/tm02, and now a shiv pro. functional art, all of them.

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Re: Top 10 Tri Bikes of all time [andrew] [ In reply to ]
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andrew wrote:
i think the kestrel 4000 came before the 200 and was road geometry. the km40 shifted to forward tri/tt mode. for a time schwinn owned kestrel and sold some rebranded 4000s (mark allen rode one in kona).
of the cervelos, i really think the original aluminum p2 was truly groundbreaking. i guess i’ve been around long enough to have seen and owned a lot of these mentioned, from my qr superform se (raider color), to an early kestrel km40, aluminum felt b2 (fast but noodly), litespeed blade, hooker elite tt, cervelo aluminum p2, bmc tt02/tm02, and now a shiv pro. functional art, all of them.

I was about to mention the P2. While the superbikes are great, the aluminum P2 and the P2C are pretty special in terms of the performance you get at that price point, which is just a tenth or two off the far more expensive bikes. Case in point, Chrissie Wellington's first win at Kona was on a P2C.

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Re: Top 10 Tri Bikes of all time [andrew] [ In reply to ]
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Didn't the original P2 have a shark fin under the BB or was that a different Cervelo?

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Re: Top 10 Tri Bikes of all time [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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yep. that’s the one. and integrated seat mast. uci illegal tubing shape.

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Last edited by: andrew: Mar 11, 19 15:11
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Re: Top 10 Tri Bikes of all time [andrew] [ In reply to ]
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While not a "tri" bike, the original BMC time machine ridden by Tyler Hamilton and Phonak should at least get honorable mention.
This bike is 15ish years old and still looks awesome. https://www.pezcyclingnews.com/...rs-bmc-time-machine/
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Re: Top 10 Tri Bikes of all time [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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My QR Kilo is an extension of my body. To paraphrase Roger Taylor: I'm in love with my bike.
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