Andrewmc wrote:
We have village idiot #1, child isis bride and our government decided to withdraw her citizenship
So, I don't care if she came back and spent 40 years in jail, the remainder of her life, or if it were permissable she was executed following due process but I am not sure that we should have taken away her citizenship
I don't want her back, I don't want to pay for it, but as liabilities go, the UK is better placed to manage her than making her, her children and her associates stateless
Should we have made her stateless or should we have dealt with it
The UK can and does strip citizenship for various reasons, and the courts there have held it permissible to do so. Over here, the US can't strip a natural-born American's citizenship because the government didn't grant such citizenship in the first place, something the courts here have held in the past. That's a key difference between our two nations.
We have our own so-called "ISIS bride," Houda Muthana, who as it turns out may not have been "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" when she was born to Yemeni parents who were at the time still considered to be diplomats of Yemen and who, because of that status, also weren't subject to said jurisdiction. Several years ago, the Obama administration declared that Muthana had renounced her permanent residency status and stripped her of her passport due to her fleeing to ISIS and encouraging her fellow Muslims to kill Americans. The current administration has also held to that position, leaving Muthana to cool her heels in a Syrian internment camp, which she was swept into, like the trash she is, after the US-led expulsion campaign saw ISIS booted from that part of the war-torn country.
Muthana's lawyers, of course, maintain that she's a natural-born American, meaning the government can't strip her of her citizenship. It's a big mess that the courts will have final say over, unlike your Shamima Begum and several other ISIS brides (Reema and Zara Iqbal, to name two), who's now pretty well left to her own devices after home secretary Sajid Javid yanked her citizenship, and deservedly so, in my opinion.
Note: Other posters have said that Begum holds Bangladesh citizenship through her mother and that she can go there, but that country is maintaining she never applied for dual nationality and has never visited Bangladesh in the first place, so it's also denying she's a citizen and won't allow her in. But as other posters have also said, actions do have consequences, and Begum is learning a hard, but necessary, lesson about such consequences.
Hopefully, her experience -- which she brought on herself -- will serve as a lesson to others out there contemplating throwing over the (classically, not politically) liberal Western democracies in which they live for the far less liberally inclined precincts to which they fled and then declared allegiance. There should be no going back after taking such steps, as hard as that may sound to some.
(I guess these ISIS brides are now living a real-life example of the famous short story by Edward Hale, "The Man Without a Country." Renounce your nation, either through word or deed, and look what may happen to you.)
"Politics is just show business for ugly people."