To the thread as a whole, I would recommend listening to Meat Eater podcast number 155 “guns.” The director of the NSSF discusses what their vision for future regulations look like. The NSSF represents the gun industry as a whole.

It is an interesting discussion. The industry as a whole isn’t just sitting on their hands.

My thought would be, complete the 4473 once a year and you are clear for any transfer that calendar year.

The but to this is NICS has to be fixed. Until we have a proper method to exclude people from approval or prosecute people trying to purchase illegally it is all for not.

I believe in my home state you are liable for any handgun you sell for 1 or 2 years. If it is used in a crime you can be held liable.

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That is not the threshold we use to curtail civil rights.

You’ve heard the saying, “better to let 1,000 criminals go free than to jail one innocent man...”?

It applies here.

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Hasn't the ship already sailed that we can curtail the right to bear arms to some extent? We don't allow fully auto, RPG or other items and we already require background checks. My understanding is this just beefs it up a little.

I don't compare passing this to jailing an innocent man. If the burden was that onerous, then yes, I would have a problem with it. This seems like good common sense.

Precisely why this is problematic. The ship needs to turned around.

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what state? that sounds pretty ridiculous. Is every gun dealer held to the same standard?


as for the whole background check bill issue, while I dont think it would do a thing to reduce gun violence, I wouldn't be opposed to it passing to to stop hearing about the "gun show loophole".

Minnesota, I don't know that anyone has been prosecuted for it. If you demonstrate that you have the person's name, birth date and drivers license number you're pretty well cleared.

You just need to demonstrate that you aren't slinging guns for cheap to just anybody.

I would like to invite anyone that thinks it is so easy to buy a hand gun at a gun show, to go try it some time. Most people that own enough guns to make it worth going to a gun show to sell them have an FFL license, which means they have to complete form 4473. I am sure there are a few around that aren't but I have watched friends complete a crappy paper version of 4473 to buy a pos WWII era gun at a gun show in BFE South Dakota... Where everyone and their cousin owns more than a few firearms.

I know this one gets trotted out more than enough, but the system works when it is used properly.

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A couple of key elements that folks need to understand regarding purchases of fire arms at gun shows.

The majority of sellers at gun shows are businesses which are required to have a FFL and comply with all requirements for transfer of fire arms. There may be individual collectors selling arms as well but they have to purchase a space or table in order to participate in the show. This limits individuals to an extend in selling arms. In other words a vast majority of gun show purchases are the exact same as purchasing at a sporting goods store.

The so called loop hole that people refer to is the private transfer of firearms. Meaning I sell an individual weapon to another individual but it's not my business. Typical scenario is if I sell to a buddy or give to my son. I can do this at a show or in my home, location makes no difference. I have seen people walking around shows with a sign on their person selling individual arms but it's not the norm.

Waiting periods for arms purchases vary by state. Idaho my home state does not require a waiting period meaning I can go to a store, purchase the fire arm, submit to the background check, and walk out of the store with my purchase that day or as long as the check takes place. The store usually gives you the fire arm as you walk out the door when the transaction is complete. Other states vary.

Just some background on the so called loop hole at gun shows.

If it does nothing to stop underground abortions why do we need to try to repeal Roe v Wade in the 1st place?

I don't think anything short of complete repeal of Roe v Wade and mass pregnancy tracking and home ankle monitoring would make a dent. Even then it would take time to find all the underground abortion clinics and morning after pill importers.

See how that works?

IMHO, it's not just background checks......I think guns need to be registered, taxed, and inspected like automobiles are. Yearly.

Personal sales would have to go through the "DMV" of guns just like a car with a title transfer.

Worried illegal arms coming in over border to criminals? Don't build the wall, shore up the actual legal entry points the smugglers actually use to smuggle arms inside of cars/vegetable shipments/ etc.....

I strongly think legal folks should be able to have their gun if they like, but I also strongly think that it should be as traceable as an automobile is.

Also........why all the hate for "smart guns"? If James Bond can get a reliable unit some 15 odd years ago, I would think the tech reliable and cheap enough by now.

My concern isn't with the background checks, its with what they do with them in terms of retaining the records of the background checks. It isn't too hard to see this as a back door way to gun registration, which is the first step in confiscation.

Gun shows already process background checks, its the personal sales in the parking lot that this bill covers.

Every gun confiscation scheme started with gun registrations. Also, car ownership is not a Constitutional right, gun ownership is a Constitutional right. Safety classes, testing are all great until they become a gun registration system. Once a government (local, state or Federal) decides it wants those guns, it already has a database with a big chunk of those pesky gun owners.

And really, how many criminals, gun wackos, terrorists, or strange Las Vegas shooters will any, repeat ANY of those stop? We already ban the importation, use, sale of many things from drugs to elephant ivory, but all of those can be found in the US, some so prevalent that 12 year old students can get them. If you think a law will make you safer, okay, but those same laws can enslave you if the Government ever gets the urge.

All guns serialized and each one has to have an owner (or gun shop) attached to that number.

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I have been proposing universal background checks for years. It is common sense gun control, so long as it is doesn't get loaded down with amendments and add-ons.

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Who has that list? Exactly ...

What you want is gun registration. That's a non-starter.

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Same people who maintain the background list. I agree, it's a non-starter.

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Background checks are not gun registrations.

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