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Re: OH Robert (Kraft) [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
But it isn't a question of whether or not it is a good job. The question is whether it should be a legal job or if we should jail the people that choose to do it. It is one thing to discourage people from taking it, it is a whole other one to imprison them and give them a criminal record that will make leaving that part of their life behind difficult.

I think it's a question of exploiting the vulnerable.
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Re: OH Robert (Kraft) [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]
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Not really what I imagined. It seems straight out of Breaking Bad. Now I'm always going to wonder when I see places like this.


I'm waiting to hear more though.
That photo looks a lot like a place in houston where a sting was run.
It was next to a dance studio and had been there a while, maybe a year. I couple of instructors went for a massage on a slow afternoon and were arrested. The front desk person told them it was $50 for a thirty minute chair massage or $60 for an hour on the tables towards the back. They both thought $60 was a better deal, walked to the back and presto, it was the police where they were immediately arrested for solicitation. Everything was tossed out a couple months later but it was pretty embarrassing to say the least. But the police claimed the same thing, they were exploited workers there. Many people thought it was a set up for someone else to see if they could get a bigger name.
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Re: OH Robert (Kraft) [Garry] [ In reply to ]
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FishyJoe wrote:
Not really what I imagined. It seems straight out of Breaking Bad. Now I'm always going to wonder when I see places like this.



I'm waiting to hear more though.
That photo looks a lot like a place in houston where a sting was run.
It was next to a dance studio and had been there a while, maybe a year. I couple of instructors went for a massage on a slow afternoon and were arrested. The front desk person told them it was $50 for a thirty minute chair massage or $60 for an hour on the tables towards the back. They both thought $60 was a better deal, walked to the back and presto, it was the police where they were immediately arrested for solicitation. Everything was tossed out a couple months later but it was pretty embarrassing to say the least. But the police claimed the same thing, they were exploited workers there. Many people thought it was a set up for someone else to see if they could get a bigger name.

That sounds very different. That sounds like entrapment because it was a police shop. This seems to be a real criminal operation with video surveillance.
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Re: OH Robert (Kraft) [Perseus] [ In reply to ]
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jkca1 wrote:
How do you leave aside the fact these women were slaves forced into prostitution? And just watch, you will find more rich guys screwing these poor women because they had no rights and the guys could do anything. They were slaves .And the rich guys will deny knowing they were slaves. I's bet a billion bucks on that if I could.

Let's say they're not slaves, who grows up dreaming about selling their body for money? Most likely, these women had very few options and were desperate. These women were taken advantage of. How can society pretend prostitution is not a big deal while also promoting the #MeToo movement?

Because they are different?

Assault/rape isn't about sex, it's about violence and power.
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Re: OH Robert (Kraft) [Perseus] [ In reply to ]
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Perseus wrote:
j p o wrote:
But it isn't a question of whether or not it is a good job. The question is whether it should be a legal job or if we should jail the people that choose to do it. It is one thing to discourage people from taking it, it is a whole other one to imprison them and give them a criminal record that will make leaving that part of their life behind difficult.

I think it's a question of exploiting the vulnerable.

Do you also believe that payday loans should be illegal? No sexual component, but the entire business model is pretty much financially exploiting the vulnerable. Proponents of the industry would argue that it serves a necessary niche of last resort for folks with financial needs and no mainstream options.
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Re: OH Robert (Kraft) [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]
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FishyJoe wrote:
Garry wrote:
FishyJoe wrote:
Not really what I imagined. It seems straight out of Breaking Bad. Now I'm always going to wonder when I see places like this.



I'm waiting to hear more though.
That photo looks a lot like a place in houston where a sting was run.
It was next to a dance studio and had been there a while, maybe a year. I couple of instructors went for a massage on a slow afternoon and were arrested. The front desk person told them it was $50 for a thirty minute chair massage or $60 for an hour on the tables towards the back. They both thought $60 was a better deal, walked to the back and presto, it was the police where they were immediately arrested for solicitation. Everything was tossed out a couple months later but it was pretty embarrassing to say the least. But the police claimed the same thing, they were exploited workers there. Many people thought it was a set up for someone else to see if they could get a bigger name.


That sounds very different. That sounds like entrapment because it was a police shop. This seems to be a real criminal operation with video surveillance.
I might have worded it poorly.. It wasn't an actual police shop, just that they were in the back where the people were walked to., there was video and audio there as well and that's really what saved them from a he said/they said scenerio. Plus they went there on the recommendation of others at the dance studio that went for massages and those people (both male and female) thought it was a normal massage shop. But the whole things was just odd and it's still open. The main thing is anymore I wait till there is more info before making a judgement on many things that seem straightforward
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Re: OH Robert (Kraft) [H-] [ In reply to ]
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But I'd say that bedpan changers should feel happy and content about their jobs. They are helping people that are suffering and can't help themselves. Nobel (noble) work IMO. Bedpan changers (nurses) are one of many professions that deserve more than our economy provides them.

1) Couldn't we say the same about the hookers...?

2) Why do you hate Capitalism?
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Re: OH Robert (Kraft) [Perseus] [ In reply to ]
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Perseus wrote:
SallyShortyPnts wrote:
Thank you for posting. Anonymous trifellow sounds more like one of the johns than someone who would actually be helping these unfortunate women.

NO woman says "Gee, now that I've graduated Harvard Summa Cum Laude, I'll go be a prostitute instead.

Give me a break here; having sex with unattractive, smelly, dirty, overweight men in kinky, painful positions is not a glamour job that women aspire to.


It kills me the way some ignorant people act like these woman had a lot of opportunities in front of them and simply chose prostitution. Do people think these women were at career day and thinking 'I could be a teacher, a doctor, or a secretary, but my real passion is jacking men off'?

I doubt they look at it that way. Having a couple friends who strip, they certainly do look at it as a hell of a lot more $$$ for their time spent than a 'square' job, w/ no taxes (although they pay whatever cut to the house, I dunno the details on that), and it doesn't take years of schooling or a degree ~ audition Monday, start taking home cash on Tuesday. That's also not to say that some of them don't look at it as a temporary means towards a career in education or medicine, either. It's not "Gee, I graduated from Harvard, now I'll go be a prostitute instead"; more like, I'll strip for a couple years, and then "Woo Hoo, I just finished my degree and no fucking student loans to pay off like all my uptight friends are always complaining about!"

I get the drawbacks, and certainly for some girls due to educational/family background they do have far fewer options, but one size doesn't fit all here just like most other lines of work. As for the "unattractive, smelly, dirty, overweight men"... The gals I know who do that stuff can pretty much pick & choose ~ if they find a potential customer too unappealing (regardless of whether it be looks, grooming, attitude, or whatever), they're free to not take his money and just wait/move on to the next guy. Of course, they can also lower their standards accordingly on a slow night if they decide the $$ is worth the trade-off. Different gals can draw that line for themselves as they see fit ~ not so unlike on the 'legit' side of the street where better-looking gals (and guys) typically have more appealing choices available to them, too. I've no doubt there are lower-budget clubs where the girls have far less clout (and the Orchid parlor sounds like one of them), but the critics here seem to suggest that represents the entire spectrum of sex work. You should talk to a gal who's chosen to do it because they felt like it was a net benefit to them (especially as a side gig to a 'real' job that pays shit) and not assume that they're all powerless and exploited.
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Re: OH Robert (Kraft) [OneGoodLeg] [ In reply to ]
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If I was a chick that went to this spot for a legit massage .. I'd be pretty pissed at the potential that the police would have video of me undressing.
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