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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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Because too many of us are f$cking stupid drivers. "Slower traffic keep right" isn't merely a suggestion. I would hate to see how bad a clusterf$ck we North Americans would make of a roundabout. I, for one, love them from my time riding and driving in Europe.


We have plenty of them in MA (except we call them rotaries) and you are absolutely right, they are typically a clusterfuck. Nobody can figure out where they should be and who has the right of way. They suck.


Yup, Wellington Circle in Medford and Belle Circle in Revere are notoriously bad where they both have multiple entry points and traffic lights. Always a shitshow driving through there.

I see your Wellington Circle and raise you the rotary on Morrissey Boulevard on the edge of Southie by the State Police barracks.
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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [wimsey] [ In reply to ]
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Brian in MA wrote:
bm wrote:
tigermilk wrote:
Because too many of us are f$cking stupid drivers. "Slower traffic keep right" isn't merely a suggestion. I would hate to see how bad a clusterf$ck we North Americans would make of a roundabout. I, for one, love them from my time riding and driving in Europe.


We have plenty of them in MA (except we call them rotaries) and you are absolutely right, they are typically a clusterfuck. Nobody can figure out where they should be and who has the right of way. They suck.


Yup, Wellington Circle in Medford and Belle Circle in Revere are notoriously bad where they both have multiple entry points and traffic lights. Always a shitshow driving through there.

I see your Wellington Circle and raise you the rotary on Morrissey Boulevard on the edge of Southie by the State Police barracks.

Rotary poker, this is fun! ; )

Neponset Circle further down Morrissey Blvd is even worse than that one.



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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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  • Because the USA is exceptional
  • Just because something works in those communist countries, doesn't mean it could work in the USA
  • The USA is the only truly free country. They are free to be told when to stop and go. Those commie dictatorships want to let people decide based on their own good sense. Americans would never stand for that. MAGA!
  • The USA has a Constitution.
  • The USA has immigration
  • People in the USA are too fat to fit in a roundabout (hello Windywave!)
  • The USA has more than 300 million people. How could traffic management principles developed in smaller countries ever work in the US?
  • Because terrorism. Because Muslims. Because Obama and because Bill Clinton got a blowjob.
  • Because roundabouts are specified in metres. Therefor they can't work in the USA.
  • Sounds socialist.


There's more, but that's a start.
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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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Brian in MA wrote:
wimsey wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
bm wrote:
tigermilk wrote:
Because too many of us are f$cking stupid drivers. "Slower traffic keep right" isn't merely a suggestion. I would hate to see how bad a clusterf$ck we North Americans would make of a roundabout. I, for one, love them from my time riding and driving in Europe.


We have plenty of them in MA (except we call them rotaries) and you are absolutely right, they are typically a clusterfuck. Nobody can figure out where they should be and who has the right of way. They suck.


Yup, Wellington Circle in Medford and Belle Circle in Revere are notoriously bad where they both have multiple entry points and traffic lights. Always a shitshow driving through there.


I see your Wellington Circle and raise you the rotary on Morrissey Boulevard on the edge of Southie by the State Police barracks.


Rotary poker, this is fun! ; )

Neponset Circle further down Morrissey Blvd is even worse than that one.

I think you're right on that. I live roughly halfway between the two. The year I drove in to work I first tried getting on to 93 at Neponset Circle and eventually switched to Morrissey - partly because traffic moves faster on Morrissey than on the %*&ing interstate at rush hour most of the time, but also because the Morrissey rotary is marginally less of a disaster.
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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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My first initiation to roundabouts in my new city was to unexpectedly encounter one during rush hour on my way to my friend's house in the first 10 minutes in town, got honked at as I just flung myself into traffic and amazingly emerged unscathed. Nearly shit myself. Avoided them for months but then moved to a new apartment where there was one on each of the main roads out of my neighbourhood, so I adapted. Now I love them, and enjoy schooling stupid people who don't know how to use them.

There should be a lot more of them in North America, they are 100% better than 4-way stops in most cases. Sadly, most North Americans get a very scant driver's education and therefore have little idea of how to drive well.

I don't ever want to encounter one like this, though. A 7-circle beauty in Swindon.

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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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New Jersey had them for decades and has finally got rid of pretty much all of them. Really don't work in heavy traffic areas.....way too many accidents. And people who have never seen one have no clue what to do upon approach.
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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [cholla] [ In reply to ]
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Here in Arizona, they are becoming more common. I understand that they are safer than standard intersections, but many people here still don't know how to use them. They often stop before entering, even when the way is clear. This itself can cause accidents. I'm hopeful that people will learn to better use them.

One reason I despise them is the city planner of scottsdale chooses to install them not in new developments but in heavily trafficked areas...then screwing the traffic pattern up for 12 months...no sir, you needs get fired.

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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [40-Tude] [ In reply to ]
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40-Tude wrote:
Greg66 wrote:
. . . flick left then right all the while balancing the car on the gas, and floor it out the other side. Basically a double chicane as fast as you can take it.

For advanced users on a road with two lanes into, through and out of the roundabout, with other enthusiastic drivers around, outbrake the car next to you into the roundabout, or try to pass them on the roundabaout, or outdrag them on the exit.

Excellent.
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Yes! I do the same double chicane treatment, aiming for smoothness throughout. And on a two lane setup, if empty, I work the tangents. :-)

* You across the pond? Where I am, traffic flows counter clockwise, so first flick is right, then left, then right...

Yes - England. We are infested with speed cameras but one place you never ever see one is a roundabout. So they are little oases of freedom.

And yes to working tangents on an empty two laner!
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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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Might be a while before they can deal with this

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/3O4i7
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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [Brian in MA] [ In reply to ]
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Brian in MA wrote:
wimsey wrote:
Brian in MA wrote:
bm wrote:
tigermilk wrote:
Because too many of us are f$cking stupid drivers. "Slower traffic keep right" isn't merely a suggestion. I would hate to see how bad a clusterf$ck we North Americans would make of a roundabout. I, for one, love them from my time riding and driving in Europe.


We have plenty of them in MA (except we call them rotaries) and you are absolutely right, they are typically a clusterfuck. Nobody can figure out where they should be and who has the right of way. They suck.


Yup, Wellington Circle in Medford and Belle Circle in Revere are notoriously bad where they both have multiple entry points and traffic lights. Always a shitshow driving through there.


I see your Wellington Circle and raise you the rotary on Morrissey Boulevard on the edge of Southie by the State Police barracks.


Rotary poker, this is fun! ; )

Neponset Circle further down Morrissey Blvd is even worse than that one.

We don't need no traffic signals kehd


Kelley Square is going to get an elongated rotary when it's rebuilt to accommodate the paw sox.


There are at least 5 rotaries in this city.
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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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I was in VA this week and encountered some. They have them in South Carolina too. We have some in Texas.
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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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F-ing roundabouts, circles, traffic flow whatever you call 'em's!

They are popping up here in NC. Thing is, whomever has decided to put these in doesn't have enough sense to make them bigger for, I dunno', like a Wolfline bus on Hillsborough Street. That also goes for the genius' who put these out on 42/39 and 98/96. Now that was a real good use of $ there, let me tell you (no need for pink). While the point of a circle/roundabout is to control the flow of traffic, it is not to bring it to a screeching halt. Yeah, I'm talking to the f-ing Prius and Tesla in front of me. Just because you see a YIELD sign in front of you, that does not mean you come to a full STOP, when there is no traffic to your right or left. It is to be treated like a Stop Sign with a white ring around it, which means you treat it as optional with a slight tap of the breaks and proceed.
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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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Roundabouts work well when everyone knows how to drive through one. We have one on my way to work and it works a lot better than the stop lights, and the morning/afternoon commutes are fine through the circle during those times.

The weekends are a different story. People stop going into the roundabout. People stop IN the circle to let others get in front of them as traffic enters the circle. Others don't understand which lane to get into and try to turn from the inside lane causing a number of crashes. And about every other weekend someone goes straight through the roundabout (over the curb, through the signs on both sides and then down the curb on the other side), leaving broken glass, car parts and tire tracks to amuse everyone the next morning.
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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [EndlessH2O] [ In reply to ]
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It is to be treated like a Stop Sign with a white ring around it, which means you treat it as optional with a slight tap of the breaks and proceed.

If that is what you are doing, you are doing it wrong. That is illegal. Stop signs mean stop. If it's optional, it's a YIELD sign.
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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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They are putting them into the neighborhoods in Pasadena now, complete with stop signs. Because safety.

I have one outside my office window here in MI---at least one near miss everyday, but rarely any contact. As compared to the drag-strip/parking lot that exits into a cluster of 8 streets/lanes converging in one area and no stop signs. Accident 2x a week there.

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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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I lived in Italy during the mid-80's. At that time motorized traffic consisted of four-way traffic lights. When I returned for a visit in 2005, EVERY intersection had changed to "Rotondi" (Roundabouts). It is possible to go from driveway to destination without stopping the car. It was wonderful driving.

At that time I discussed my new found joy of driving with my host friend. His reply... "It has taken Italians 90 years to find something useful from the French!" :)
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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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Much of what we do in state DOT is driven by 'driver expectation'. The biggest reason we haven't done them for a long time was because we never did them. However, in the last 5 years I have been involved in the construction of over 10 locally.
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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [cholla] [ In reply to ]
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cholla wrote:
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It is to be treated like a Stop Sign with a white ring around it, which means you treat it as optional with a slight tap of the breaks and proceed.


If that is what you are doing, you are doing it wrong. That is illegal. Stop signs mean stop. If it's optional, it's a YIELD sign.

Uhm, don't all Stop signs have white rings around them? I guess that joke was lost somewhere and I do know what STOP means. Unfortunately, in these here parts, drivers seem to think a YIELD sign also means STOP.
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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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We have several in my quiet corner of south central Ontario. There are two in Cobourg (on D'Arcy Street) and a major one one on Hwy 28 between Peterborough and Port Hope.

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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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We call these "The Circles of Death"


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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [EndlessH2O] [ In reply to ]
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EndlessH2O wrote:
cholla wrote:
EndlessH2O wrote:
It is to be treated like a
Stop Sign with a white ring around it, which means you treat it as optional with a slight tap of the breaks and proceed.


If that is what you are doing, you are doing it wrong. That is illegal. Stop signs mean stop. If it's optional, it's a YIELD sign.


Uhm, don't all Stop signs have white rings around them? I guess that joke was lost somewhere and I do know what STOP means. Unfortunately, in these here parts, drivers seem to think a YIELD sign also means STOP.


I had to use the Google because I wasn't sure what you were talking about with the white rings. Apparently, some people believe that. I agree, an unnecessary stop at a YIELD is almost as bad as not stopping at a STOP.
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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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I have one close to where I live in Florida. Honestly, it's a complete sh!t show. Most people don't know how to use them. There's probably a "near miss" once every ten minutes during rush hour because people don't know when to merge, how to signal, etc. It's Florida though. We really should be first in line for autonomous cars on a "need" basis.[/quote

Agreed. Off the top of my head, I can only think of one spot here in San Diego that has a couple of them. They're controlled by yield signs. The key seems to be drivers using their turn signals to indicate whether they're coming all the way around or if they're going "straight."

Because drivers generally don't know what the f*ck they're doing (or just don't care), when entering a circle I err on the side of assuming the driver already in the circle is going to come all the way around regardless of their turn signal (which is almost always off).

Minor complaint: It is a little bit of a pain in the butt to have to hold my turn signal so that it doesn't cancel while negotiating the roundabouts.

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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [cholla] [ In reply to ]
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Same in Alberta there are at least 10 in my part of Calgary.

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Re: Why so few roundabouts in North America? [tigermilk] [ In reply to ]
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Traffic circle skills from the pros . . .


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