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Re: What's your verdict on the new Repblican/Trump tax plan? [tyrod1] [ In reply to ]
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tyrod1 wrote:
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Re: What's your verdict on the new Repblican/Trump tax plan? [SH] [ In reply to ]
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I find it interesting that so many pundits talk about how taxes are the biggest factor as to how people of means decide whether to settle in one state or another. In my experience, not true at all...you pay your taxes and you move on. Taxes don't drive my decisions as to where I live or where I enjoy my life. It doesn't even remotely come into my thought process. YMMV.

One of the central ideas of economics is that incentives matter, and that incentives matter at the margin. Of course everyone living in CA or NY isn't going to move away because their taxes went up a few percentage points. However, all things being equal, an increase in the cost of living versus other states will prompt some folks that were already on the fence to go ahead and leave.

...and likewise dissuade someone from moving to the state. There’s a reason why IL, CT, and NY are now losing population on net every year.

A friend of mine works for Inverland which is a mid-sized real estate developer. They just put up two buildings in NYC and describe the market there as “on the edge of catastrophe” saying that there’s “no liquidity.” Just my $0.02, I think the reason Trump recently said “we need a rate cut NOW” is because his friends (if he has any) are NYC/NJ real estate folks and they’re probably telling him that the market is terrible.
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Re: What's your verdict on the new Repblican/Trump tax plan? [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]
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I just saw a poll that only like 20 percent of people think their taxes went down.

I find it interesting because I think around 60 percent of people say taxes should have gone down. (Obviously reduces services will likely follow).

But I find it strange that people don’t actually think their taxes went down.

It may be because people thought the tax cut would be sizable in the form of a huge refund. But overall the messaging from the gop seems to have been bad. Seeing how people don’t even think their taxes went down. (Which should be the only benefit from the tax cuts)
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Re: What's your verdict on the new Repblican/Trump tax plan? [ironclm] [ In reply to ]
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I got brutalized.

Live in CA, so took that hit.

Then a non-tax-sheltered brokerage account generated waaay more dividend income than ever before. Really weird. I had to double check the 1099-DIV form like 3 times.

So I had to write $30K check (on top of withheld taxes).

15.2% ETR.
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Re: What's your verdict on the new Repblican/Trump tax plan? [Sweeney] [ In reply to ]
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I've got to look up last year, but for 2018 Fed only, 7.4% effective tax


It's way down from 16. My gross income is up 5.7% compared to 16, but my rate that year was 10.07%.
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Re: What's your verdict on the new Repblican/Trump tax plan? [scorpio516] [ In reply to ]
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I've got to look up last year, but for 2018 Fed only, 7.4% effective tax

It's way down from 16. My gross income is up 5.7% compared to 16, but my rate that year was 10.07%.


Why do you hate America? ;).

Kidding, but it does point how low actual effective rates are and much they vary. I have some problem when a person who makes a very good income, yet pays less than 10% in effective tax rate, endlessly repeats, "We don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem." It's both, and it is always both, and extremely low tax rates are proof that. The anti-tax mantra is especially funny coming from millions of folks who in fact always pay extremely low federal income taxes, and are angry that their savings this year was paltry/negligible.

FWIW, I think that my ETR went up from 18% to 19%. (need to finish it this weekend)
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Re: What's your verdict on the new Repblican/Trump tax plan? [Sweeney] [ In reply to ]
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Re: What's your verdict on the new Repblican/Trump tax plan? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
I got brutalized.

Live in CA, so took that hit.

Then a non-tax-sheltered brokerage account generated waaay more dividend income than ever before. Really weird. I had to double check the 1099-DIV form like 3 times.

So I had to write $30K check (on top of withheld taxes).

15.2% ETR.

Must be wonderful to earn so much money. I love this time of year, its when I have hard proof I am in a relative term (relative to those I hang with) poor. You wrote a check for 6x more than I paid in fed. taxes.

Enjoy the income.

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Re: What's your verdict on the new Repblican/Trump tax plan? [patentattorney] [ In reply to ]
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So, in conclusion, a steady dismantling of the middle and lower wage earners by the GOP, with tacit approval from Dems; camoflaged by the daily antics of Trump.
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Re: What's your verdict on the new Repblican/Trump tax plan? [burnthesheep] [ In reply to ]
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I wasn't impressed. Less return and a tiny bit back per paycheck was a net nothingburger.

Lots of folks I've talked to haven't been impressed, including a couple lower-mid income folks.

This could be a defect in the re-election armor that they can't openly admit. People fester on that stuff.

Hard to imagine someone already paying no federal taxes voting for Trump so that he can lower their federal taxes, but if you say so...
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Re: What's your verdict on the new Repblican/Trump tax plan? [SH] [ In reply to ]
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SH wrote:

Hard to imagine someone already paying no federal taxes voting for Trump so that he can lower their federal taxes, but if you say so...

Ya that's one reason why they voted for Trump, and ya it's a head scratcher
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Re: What's your verdict on the new Repblican/Trump tax plan? [SH] [ In reply to ]
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Hard to imagine someone already paying no federal taxes voting for Trump so that he can lower their federal taxes, but if you say so...


As a tax accountant I realized long ago that people,


  • lie about how much they make.
  • lie about how well their investments did this year
  • have no clue how taxes work
  • have no clue about how much tax they pay in a year.

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Re: What's your verdict on the new Repblican/Trump tax plan? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
I got brutalized.

Live in CA, so took that hit.

Then a non-tax-sheltered brokerage account generated waaay more dividend income than ever before. Really weird. I had to double check the 1099-DIV form like 3 times.

So I had to write $30K check (on top of withheld taxes).

15.2% ETR.

I am imagining this post voiced by Steve Martin as a variation of the intro to The Jerk.

"I was born a poor millionaire. Then the bad orange man raised my taxes to fifteen percent. Fifteen percent! It was brutal. I don't know how much longer the oppressed middle millionaire class can survive in this country."
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Re: What's your verdict on the new Repblican/Trump tax plan? [Arch Stanton] [ In reply to ]
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Arch Stanton wrote:

I am imagining this post voiced by Steve Martin as a variation of the intro to The Jerk.

"I was born a poor millionaire. Then the bad orange man raised my taxes to fifteen percent. Fifteen percent! It was brutal. I don't know how much longer the oppressed middle millionaire class can survive in this country."

Haha. I didn't blame Trump, though!

Also I drive a 6 year-old Ford Focus.
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Re: What's your verdict on the new Repblican/Trump tax plan? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Re: What's your verdict on the new Repblican/Trump tax plan? [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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I wonder how long before the new tax laws impact taxpayer behavior. My only clients that itemized this year were the very wealthy with large charitable contributions. No one else. With the SALT limits, it really impacted those with either large state income tax or here in Texas, the ridiculous property taxes. I have advised many that they should use their non-emergency investments to reduce their mortgages.

I anticipate that it will ultimately impact first and second time home buyers which will impact our economic engines. I think charities will be negatively impacted too.

On the upside, I got a 20% phantom deduction for being self-employed. Like I have been for 30 years.
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