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Re: Build the Wall: Americans Want Better Border Enforcement by 2:1 Margin [DavHamm] [ In reply to ]
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Where in the report is your headline stated?

Oh and its not Americans it was a mostly landline phone poll, with some I think they said 400 response coming from an online survey.

What the hell how many houses have a land line and who the hell actually responds to surveys via the phone?

Pro-illegal immigrant hallelujah chorus member. Who'da thunk it?

You just don't like the message the poll delivers, which is fine. I don't have a problem with that. But make a better argument for why the Wall shouldn't be built than that only households with landlines took the survey. It can't be because of money, because we probably just blew $10 billion in the last few minutes just on random internet porn and junk food.

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Re: Build the Wall: Americans Want Better Border Enforcement by 2:1 Margin [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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41% of respondents said it isn't a solution for border enforcement at all, but 59% believe it's either the best solution (26%) or one of many solutions (33%).

It should be noted that 95% of respondents really don't have the first fucking clue about actual border security and what would be most effective for mitigating the problems attributed to border insecurity.

The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
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Re: Build the Wall: Americans Want Better Border Enforcement by 2:1 Margin [spudone] [ In reply to ]
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spudone wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
spudone wrote:
I honestly don't care about border enforcement beyond what we already have. Like I've said before, it is similar to the war on drugs. You can't win on the supply side.

Fix the demand for illegal workers.


Actually, I kind of agree with that.

But that doesn't mean I want a bunch of inmigrante ilegales running around the country.

And those fuckers overstaying their visas? Their asses gotta go as well. Maybe if we started fucking their shit up and treating what they're doing as a serious matter folks would knock that shit off. But we won't, sad to say.


Your hyperbole aside, my suggestions:

1) e-verify and work visas, with the caveat that a worker can't renew for another year until there's dated proof of exiting the U.S. first.
2) work towards better foreign policy regarding conditions in Central America (thus, people will have less desire to leave their home countries).
3) I don't have a good solution for #3, but if Mexico gets a better handle on their drug cartel situation, civilians are less in harm's way, and less likely to flee towards the U.S.

I think on #3, for the long haul, we can do much more to address the opioid epidemic in the U.S. and provide better treatment. Eventually this will curb some of the demand. Right now we've just clamped down on the prescription drugs and Mexico has filled the void.

Every dollar to the cartels just entrenches their power.

Lots of good stuff, that Democrats and their buds among the pro-Chamber of Commerce Republican side of the house are likely to try to kill in the womb.

"Better foreign policy in Central America" sounds great, though I don't think anyone here in the U.S. has any idea of what that would be. Certainly, those idiots down there wouldn't know, and wouldn't care, other than that if we would just give them billions more in foreign aid it would help (not).

All I know is their asses need to stay down there and not come up here. Most of them are coming for jobs or other economic reasons, which isn't a valid asylum reason, nor is crime in their neighborhoods or states or provinces or cities. I'm sorry for them, but their countries need to unfuck themselves. If they want help with that, we can pitch in. We've done that in the past, I think.

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Re: Build the Wall: Americans Want Better Border Enforcement by 2:1 Margin [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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sphere wrote:
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41% of respondents said it isn't a solution for border enforcement at all, but 59% believe it's either the best solution (26%) or one of many solutions (33%).


It should be noted that 95% of respondents really don't have the first fucking clue about actual border security and what would be most effective for mitigating the problems attributed to border insecurity.

Yeah, but all us smart motherfuckers do, right? I think people at least know that nations have borders for a reason, and that we have right to decide just who can come in and who has to either get the fuck out or stay the fuck out.

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Re: Build the Wall: Americans Want Better Border Enforcement by 2:1 Margin [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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I love love love that you conservatives now don’t care about money.

I bet if someone asked for $5 billion dollars to add to the food stamps program your ass would pucker up like it was sucking on a lemon.

But yeah build the useless wall.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Build the Wall: Americans Want Better Border Enforcement by 2:1 Margin [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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Again, beside the point.

What's the point of beating the drum for reducing illegal immigration, controlling drug and human traffic flow, and tying it to a Border Wall, when the vast majority of the problem occurs at official entry points, like ports and check points?

Politics, is what. Nothing more.

You want the most bang for your "get the fuck out and stay the fuck out" buck? Put more resources into cracking down on people who come here legally and overstay their visas. Walls don't fix that shit, and they don't fix the other problems, proportional to the rhetoric, either.

Of course, you know this.

The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
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Re: Build the Wall: Americans Want Better Border Enforcement by 2:1 Margin [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:
. Build the Wall. Spend the 5.7 billion bucks on something useful.

Do you realize it will take more than $5.7 billion to build the wall?

Matt
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Re: Build the Wall: Americans Want Better Border Enforcement by 2:1 Margin [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:
sphere wrote:
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41% of respondents said it isn't a solution for border enforcement at all, but 59% believe it's either the best solution (26%) or one of many solutions (33%).


It should be noted that 95% of respondents really don't have the first fucking clue about actual border security and what would be most effective for mitigating the problems attributed to border insecurity.

Yeah, but all us smart motherfuckers do, right? I think people at least know that nations have borders for a reason, and that we have right to decide just who can come in and who has to either get the fuck out or stay the fuck out.

If you're so smart, maybe you can explain Trump's claim that a wall will reduce drugs coming into the US, given that 90% comes through ports of entry (where only 20% of vehicles are checked) and the remainder likely isn't carried over the border but likely gets brought in by boat or plane in remote areas.

Wouldn't we be better spending more money on being able to check more vehicles at ports of entry?
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Re: Build the Wall: Americans Want Better Border Enforcement by 2:1 Margin [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Spend more money checking more vehicles at ports of entry, and Mexico's gunna pay for it!

It won't fit on a campaign bumper sticker. So, no.

The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
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Re: Build the Wall: Americans Want Better Border Enforcement by 2:1 Margin [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:

Lots of good stuff, that Democrats and their buds among the pro-Chamber of Commerce Republican side of the house are likely to try to kill in the womb.

Exactly...so why are you railing against the Democrats on this one? There wouldn't be a comprehensive immigration bill even if Republicans had the majority in both chambers and the White House...you know how I know this? ;)

Republicans do not want to fix the immigration "emergency" any more than the Democrats do. In fact, there is a solid economic reason for why they are opposed to even marginal improvements like making the illegals into the legal tax payin' kind... those laborers would get a heckuva lot more expensive if we all of a sudden had to put them all on the books. And that ain't good for bidniss. You may recall that money is speech and corporations are people.

If I may, I suggest you stop tilting at windmills and maybe look to get your own side's house in order and get internal alignment before accusing the other side of not doing what you claim your side wants (my position is that your side does not, actually, want any of it)
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Re: Build the Wall: Americans Want Better Border Enforcement by 2:1 Margin [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:
tigermilk wrote:
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I see you've got a lot to add to the conversation. More likely, you know your side doesn't have a leg to stand on.
What is my side?
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Re: Build the Wall: Americans Want Better Border Enforcement by 2:1 Margin [SailorSam] [ In reply to ]
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BK doesn’t have a side. Remember, he’s “independent.” He told us that himself.


SailorSam wrote:
big kahuna wrote:

Lots of good stuff, that Democrats and their buds among the pro-Chamber of Commerce Republican side of the house are likely to try to kill in the womb.

Exactly...so why are you railing against the Democrats on this one? There wouldn't be a comprehensive immigration bill even if Republicans had the majority in both chambers and the White House...you know how I know this? ;)

Republicans do not want to fix the immigration "emergency" any more than the Democrats do. In fact, there is a solid economic reason for why they are opposed to even marginal improvements like making the illegals into the legal tax payin' kind... those laborers would get a heckuva lot more expensive if we all of a sudden had to put them all on the books. And that ain't good for bidniss. You may recall that money is speech and corporations are people.

If I may, I suggest you stop tilting at windmills and maybe look to get your own side's house in order and get internal alignment before accusing the other side of not doing what you claim your side wants (my position is that your side does not, actually, want any of it)
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Re: Build the Wall: Americans Want Better Border Enforcement by 2:1 Margin [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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"It won't fit on a campaign bumper sticker. So, no. "

I think this administration's policies are centered around items that are three syllables and can be used in a "U! S! A!" style chant.

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Re: Build the Wall: Americans Want Better Border Enforcement by 2:1 Margin [tigermilk] [ In reply to ]
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tigermilk wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
tigermilk wrote:
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I see you've got a lot to add to the conversation. More likely, you know your side doesn't have a leg to stand on.

What is my side?

You should have asked shit dressing on the side for that word salad BK gave us.
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Re: Build the Wall: Americans Want Better Border Enforcement by 2:1 Margin [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:
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Because you can trust a poll that collects data from landlines and amazon turk with a whopping 942 people polled. That must have taken a whole afternoon.


I bet my wife that about point oh-two seconds after I posted this one the pro-illegal immigrant hallelujah chorus would be out in full force to defend them. Glad you and the others proved me right yet again.

Build the Wall. Spend the 5.7 billion bucks on something useful. Considering we (the U.S.) shit out about $6.5 billion a fucking minute in spending, with a lot of it being on stupendously stupid shit, I don't see the big deal.

And no, the fucking thing isn't "immoral" or whatever that sea hag Nancy Pelosi is calling it. Actually, it's immoral to let those folks just waltz on in and do whatever they like. Do we allow burglars to do that? I don't think so, do you?

Why so angry? Too much Limbaugh in your life?

FWIW, I wouldn't talk to my wife about trying to convince online keyboard warriors of anything. "Hey honey, watch this. I'm going to prove people wrong on the internet!......."

This is literally that meme. Please tell us you did NOT tell your poor wife that and that it was just hyperbole.
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