Elite swimmers willing to be barred from the Olympics and WC in order to loosen FINA's grip on their ability to earn a living.
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Re: Swimmers vs FINA [klehner]
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klehner wrote:
Elite swimmers willing to be barred from the Olympics and WC in order to loosen FINA's grip on their ability to earn a living.paywall....
can you give us the Cole's Notes version?
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Re: Swimmers vs FINA [JasoninHalifax]
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I got to it fine but stripped off the request parameters
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/20/sports/swimming-fina.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/20/sports/swimming-fina.html
Re: Swimmers vs FINA [Spoon]
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Spoon wrote:
I got to it fine but stripped off the request parameters https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/20/sports/swimming-fina.html
I've reached my limit of free articles, apparently. And I don't read the NYT enough to warrant a subscription.
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Re: Swimmers vs FINA [JasoninHalifax]
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JasoninHalifax wrote:
klehner wrote:
Elite swimmers willing to be barred from the Olympics and WC in order to loosen FINA's grip on their ability to earn a living.paywall....
can you give us the Cole's Notes version?
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Organizers scrapped plans for a lucrative independent meet in Turin, Italy, this year after FINA, the international swimming federation, which is based in Lausanne, Switzerland, threatened competitors with bans from the sport’s biggest events, including the Olympics, which remains unsurpassed in terms of profile and prestige in elite swimming. The resentment has only grown since.Quote:
[Michael] Andrew joined about 30 swimmers — a group that included several world and Olympic champions — in London this week for two days of meetings to discuss ways to take on swimming’s power brokers. He left saying that they should be willing to be barred if it meant athletes had greater control over their destinies rather than being limited to competitions controlled by the governing body.Quote:
FINA appeared to cool on its threat to bar athletes from competing in unsanctioned events, releasing a statement on Thursday saying only that it would not recognize times at meets outside its purview. But court battles over the issue of the federation’s control are moving forward.
Andrew, Hosszu, and Peaty among those willing to risk being banned.
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Re: Swimmers vs FINA [JasoninHalifax]
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Re: Swimmers vs FINA [klehner]
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So this is all about the Energy for Swim meet fiasco.
https://swimswam.com/...y-for-swim-struggle/
https://swimswam.com/...-swim-isnt-approved/
My take is that pro swimmers need to challenge FINA as to whether they have the right to ban athletes from their events solely for participating in unrelated organizations' events. This is going to wind up at CAS (or a similar level, but I think CAS would have jurisdiction) if the athletes pursue it, and they should.
As to FINA, they have the right to grant or disallow sanctioning for meets based on their own rules. But it's not clear to me that FINA was, in fact, following its own rules. Apparently the heart of it was that FINA considered the meet to be an "international" event, but Italian swimming considered it a "national" level event. Swimmers weren't going to be representing their countries at the meet, but themselves / their clubs. I'd have to go back and look up the definitions of international vs national meets, but I think that is one of the key differences. Just because a meet allows foreign entrants doesn't make it international.
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https://swimswam.com/...y-for-swim-struggle/
https://swimswam.com/...-swim-isnt-approved/
My take is that pro swimmers need to challenge FINA as to whether they have the right to ban athletes from their events solely for participating in unrelated organizations' events. This is going to wind up at CAS (or a similar level, but I think CAS would have jurisdiction) if the athletes pursue it, and they should.
As to FINA, they have the right to grant or disallow sanctioning for meets based on their own rules. But it's not clear to me that FINA was, in fact, following its own rules. Apparently the heart of it was that FINA considered the meet to be an "international" event, but Italian swimming considered it a "national" level event. Swimmers weren't going to be representing their countries at the meet, but themselves / their clubs. I'd have to go back and look up the definitions of international vs national meets, but I think that is one of the key differences. Just because a meet allows foreign entrants doesn't make it international.
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Re: Swimmers vs FINA [klehner]
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the ghost of Pre is cheering for the swimmers..
on the other hand, Russian oligarchs funding swimming, probably isn't a healthy direction either.
on the other hand, Russian oligarchs funding swimming, probably isn't a healthy direction either.
Re: Swimmers vs FINA [doug in co]
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True - though you can't really get worse than the people who already run FINA. Or FIFA, or the IOC for that matter...
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Re: Swimmers vs FINA [doug in co]
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the ghost of Pre is cheering for the swimmers.. on the other hand, Russian oligarchs funding swimming, probably isn't a healthy direction either.
FINA bends over backwards for the Russians as it is....
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Re: Swimmers vs FINA [JasoninHalifax]
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Didn't see FINA needing to approve of the TYR Pro Series.
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Re: Swimmers vs FINA [doug in co]
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He is not a Russian oligarch. He is from Ukraine. Huge difference.
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Re: Swimmers vs FINA [realAB]
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Didn't see FINA needing to approve of the TYR Pro Series.Is that because it was a non-issue and approved? I truly don't know, just asking.
AndrewPhx wrote:
He is not a Russian oligarch. He is from Ukraine. Huge difference.from the NYT article,
"Konstantin Grigorishin, a Russian billionaire from Ukraine, is providing the funding to create a new swimming competition."
he's a Russian born in Ukraine, recently was able to get Ukraine citizenship since the Russian criminal proceedings against him weren't sufficient disqualification. It's a long and complicated history. The Ukrainians call him a Russian oligarch, so I'm going with their description. .
http://hvylya.net/...anstvo-ukrainyi.html