QFT (and also LOL):

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Citizen of the world, former drunkard. Resident Traumatic Brain Injury advocate.

As a former philosophy major once told me, "You can over think this stuff."

:-)

Forget Camus and SaRtre (sorry I'm french :-)

Later Lacan is much more helpful : “Desire is situated in dependence on demand – which, by being articulated in signifiers, leaves a metonymic remainder that runs under it, an element that is not indeterminate, which is a condition both, absolute and unapprehensible, an element necessarily lacking, unsatisfied, impossible, misconstrued, (méconnu), an element that is called desire” (Seminar XI, p.154).

http://nosubject.com/Desire
http://www.lacanonline.com/...an-say-about-desire/

That totally depends on the age of the men involved

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Very familiar with that cartoon. And being both Euro *and* middle-aged, solidly count me in the second group. Except for the hairdryer thing. That's just weird.

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Citizen of the world, former drunkard. Resident Traumatic Brain Injury advocate.

Yeah, if someone else hadn't corrected it, I would have

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

but with Lacan it's always about desire and libidinal search for the Other. I try to keep Freud out of any training plan!

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Anne Barnes
ABBikefit, Ltd
FIST/SICI/FIST DOWN DEEP
X/Y Coordinator
abbikefit@gmail.com

If you've got a hairdryer out, it's silly not to use it....

Counterpoint: Lacanian theory is a rabbit hole of epic proportions, forget ever making sense to anyone else.

Can you please correct the spelling of Sartre's name in the thread title???

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"Anyone can be who they want to be IF they have the HUNGER and the DRIVE."

Yep, very complex, especially as, searching, he changed his mind several times on several subject.

But when studied with some help and distance, it become clear, and very helpful. But it did take few years of work...

Hello

Desire for Lacan (at least later Lacan) is not "desire" classic definition, sex, libidinal search, or whatever in this direction.
Desire as described by Lacan does not exist in Freud theory.
Desire as described by Lacan is THE major item added by Lacan to the Freud theory.

Desire is the direction / trace of subject inner aspiration, in competition with :
Freudian fantasy / identification (binding the subject)
social environment (binding the subject)

Both "desire" & "fantasy / identifications" being initially crafted by contacts with Others (other peoples structuring the child mental environment)
Social environment continuously crafted by... the others

When Sartre says "Hell is other peoples" (in "Huis Clos"), in fact it seems it mean more "Hell is O/others", talking more about introjected judgement.

When training, or racing, your are probably relating to real inner aspiration or identification or social pressure. Hopefully first one, desire. May be you succeeded in keeping Freud out, but hopefully not Lacan :-)

Sorry, struggling to translate psychoanalytical terms to english. In english, more used to "crank", "stem", "HIIT" "keto-adaptation" and "glycogen depletion"

spectacular, thank you

excellent!

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Anne Barnes
ABBikefit, Ltd
FIST/SICI/FIST DOWN DEEP
X/Y Coordinator
abbikefit@gmail.com

Anne - Thanks for adding the r in Sartre. I feel so much better now. :)

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"Anyone can be who they want to be IF they have the HUNGER and the DRIVE."

thanks for pointing out the error!

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Anne Barnes
ABBikefit, Ltd
FIST/SICI/FIST DOWN DEEP
X/Y Coordinator
abbikefit@gmail.com

Colateral philosophical thoughts .. acting is the ability to make differences from the etenity of a now .. the now is able to limit eternity with doing an act .. desire is doing .. sampling memory for reflection changes the memory, not the past ..

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