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Re: Official FIT ASSISTANCE for Canyon Speedmax CF and CF SLX [cheahjn] [ In reply to ]
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Hello Ian,
Appreciate if you can advise the size for me on the women cf. I'm currently fitted on a road bike with clip on aero bars with the following measurements:
Pad X (middle of pad to BB) 420mm
Pad Y (top of pad to BB) 667mm
I’m 164cm, 76.8cm inseam, current saddle height 680mm.

Jan,
So glad you wrote.
I don't believe for one second that your optimal triathlon position is Pad Y 667. That spot that the converted road bike has placed is too high up in the wind. When you get lower you will be more comfortable (priority one), more powerful (second priority), and a bit more out of the wind (third priority). When I work on your morphology I get something a bit longer and a lot lower: Pad Y of 576 and Pad X of 440.

I do think an XS is the right bike for you but go into this knowing the tallest the Pad Y on that bike will go is 620. You should have faith in this because.... right now you ride 667 and I think you should be 576. If I'm wrong and you need a bit more height in your pads this will go up 40+mm to meet you nicely - not all the way to 667 but that can't be your place. The Pad X range is no problem for you swinging from 420-465 so you'll find your perfect spot.

Couple of side notes. While there is a legit difference between the women/men versions or road bikes in the Canyon line the tri bikes are unisex and they should be. The only difference in the women's version of the CF is color. Also, This bike will show up and it'll be ready to fit you in lots of perfect ways. One thing I'm worried about is this - the cranks that come on the bike will be too long (172.5mm). My advice is simple - before you throw a leg over this bike pull the 172.5s so you can sell them as never ridden. If you simply have to stay on Shimano then get a set of Shimano 105 level cranks in 160mm (shortest they make). If you really want optimal comfort/performance I urge you to acquire a set of 155mm from Cobb or Rotor and have them installed on your bike.

Ian

Ian Murray
http://www.TriathlonTrainingSeries.com
I'm all about athletes mastering triathlon
Twitter - @TriCoachIan
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Re: Official FIT ASSISTANCE for Canyon Speedmax CF and CF SLX [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks Ian for the detailed explanation. I thought the Pad Y looked abit odd as well when I read through the other posts in this thread..
On the crank arm, if I change to 155mm, do I need to make changes to saddle height and saddle setback?
Thanks, Jan
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Re: Official FIT ASSISTANCE for Canyon Speedmax CF and CF SLX [cheahjn] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks Ian for the detailed explanation. I thought the Pad Y looked abit odd as well when I read through the other posts in this thread..
On the crank arm, if I change to 155mm, do I need to make changes to saddle height and saddle setback?
Thanks, Jan

Jan,
The fit coordinates of your existing bike (the converted road bike) will not be exactly the same as your new Canyon tri bike - and that's a good thing. The new tri bike is designed to put you in a position that is better than your existing road bike. I can tell you that the set back on the road bike will be a larger number than the tri bike - in fact the set back on the road bike could be something like 52mm and the tri bike could be as little as 12mm or even a few mm "set forward" of the bottom bracket. This has nothing to do with the crank length but everything to do with the tri bike geometry and the proper tri position. This is something that a fitter would guide you towards (and if you want a recommendation let me know where you live and I'll check my list). The seat height will be very similar to your road bike, maybe a few mm higher - and if you move from 170 cranks to 160 cranks the seat height has to go up 10mm so you can scale that to whatever change you make.

Ian

Ian Murray
http://www.TriathlonTrainingSeries.com
I'm all about athletes mastering triathlon
Twitter - @TriCoachIan
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Re: Official FIT ASSISTANCE for Canyon Speedmax CF and CF SLX [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks Ian for the detailed explanation. I thought the Pad Y looked abit odd as well when I read through the other posts in this thread..
On the crank arm, if I change to 155mm, do I need to make changes to saddle height and saddle setback?
Thanks, Jan


Jan,
The fit coordinates of your existing bike (the converted road bike) will not be exactly the same as your new Canyon tri bike - and that's a good thing. The new tri bike is designed to put you in a position that is better than your existing road bike. I can tell you that the set back on the road bike will be a larger number than the tri bike - in fact the set back on the road bike could be something like 52mm and the tri bike could be as little as 12mm or even a few mm "set forward" of the bottom bracket. This has nothing to do with the crank length but everything to do with the tri bike geometry and the proper tri position. This is something that a fitter would guide you towards (and if you want a recommendation let me know where you live and I'll check my list). The seat height will be very similar to your road bike, maybe a few mm higher - and if you move from 170 cranks to 160 cranks the seat height has to go up 10mm so you can scale that to whatever change you make.

Ian

ok understand. now i'm super excited for the bike :)
I live in Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur. Would be great if you have any recommendation for a fitter in this side of the world..
Thanks!
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Re: Official FIT ASSISTANCE for Canyon Speedmax CF and CF SLX [cheahjn] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Ian,
would you advise me with some adjustments to my Canyon Speedmax CF.
I bought size Large, I believe (still) that this is good size for me (I am feeling more comfortable on the bigger frame :) )

I am 183cm high
inside leg: 86,5cm

my current Y/X are: 720mm and 510mm
saddle (Fizik Mistica; end of nose) is 3cm behind BB
saddle high leel is 104,50cm high

Still I feel that this is not ideal position; I can not feel same comfort (and power) as it was previously (another bike)

thanks in advance and regards
Adam
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Re: Official FIT ASSISTANCE for Canyon Speedmax CF and CF SLX [ajezier] [ In reply to ]
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Good morning

I am looking to replace my 2014 BMC TM02 in a M-S. Standard numbers are 515 reach, 377 stack, 490 TT. I use 165 cranks and 110 stem (-6) and have the -7 position with a fabric saddle right in the middle of the rails.
Just had a look at the pad measurements and I'm sure I probably need a professional fit! Pad X is 460 and pad y is 665 Seat height is 705 and extensions are 305.
I've been told I could go steeper with the seat angle but this bike is definitely too short for that. I've got one 10mm stacker under the stem. Interestingly I don't feel cramped despite the bike and numbers alongside my long back.

Their chart recommends me a small for 178 height and 79 inseam (other charts struggle to place my long back short legs properly) for the CF. The SLX puts me on a medium which I feel would be too big.Please can you let me know if I am right or wrong here?

Obviously would switch out their cranks for a 165, which I feel suits my inseam and short 43/44 sized feet, however the small CF doesn't seem to have enough seat height, especially when I want to change to shorter cranks!

Please can you let me know if you want more info.

I am also looking at a Trek speed concept and will get my leg over a medium at the weekend (I think I'm a small for this too). This looks like I must have a fit from them to know exactly which parts are required for me, and then order as project one. Feels like it'll take ages to arrive!

Many thanks in advance for your help
Last edited by: blueathlete: Jul 14, 19 23:37
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Re: Official FIT ASSISTANCE for Canyon Speedmax CF and CF SLX [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Ian,

I'd really appreciate if you can give me advice on fine tuning my new Speedmax CF SLX. I did a fit and spent quite a lot of time riding it (around 2 thousand kms) and still having the same issue that I can't deal with: almost all the time bike feels very unstable, more like you're going to flip forward, especially on downhills. I'd assume it is just a matter of time to get used to it, but after two months it starts being annoying. Even when on a handlebar, I feel very twitchy and any crosswind makes it worse.

Input parameters are as follows:

Pad X - 465 mm
Pad Y - 650 mm
Saddle height - 770 mm

I'm 184 cm, my Speedmax is size M.

I'd be thankful for any suggestions on how it can be adjusted to make in order to make me feel more confident.

Cheers,
Dennis
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Re: Official FIT ASSISTANCE for Canyon Speedmax CF and CF SLX [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks much Ian. Got the large and fits great. Now just need to figure out 165 cranks (with or without power). I have dura ace and the shifting is so smooth.
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Re: Official FIT ASSISTANCE for Canyon Speedmax CF and CF SLX [ajezier] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Ian,
would you advise me with some adjustments to my Canyon Speedmax CF. I bought size Large, I believe (still) that this is good size for me (I am feeling more comfortable on the bigger frame :) )
I am 183cm high, inside leg: 86,5cm , my current Y/X are: 720mm and 510mm, saddle (Fizik Mistica; end of nose) is 3cm behind BB, saddle high leel is 104,50cm high
Still I feel that this is not ideal position; I can not feel same comfort (and power) as it was previously (another bike)

Adam,
I'm a bike fitter fist and foremost and this thread is designed to help athletes like you purchase the right size bike. It's not possible for me.... in text.....to get you in the right position. I can't do it. I teach this subject and I don't think it can be done. Now....a video...set up properly (level bike, camera at profile, you riding at race power for a 30sec)...that's something I might be able to work with. Post it up.

Ian

Ian Murray
http://www.TriathlonTrainingSeries.com
I'm all about athletes mastering triathlon
Twitter - @TriCoachIan
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Re: Official FIT ASSISTANCE for Canyon Speedmax CF and CF SLX [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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ianpeace wrote:
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Hello Ian,
Appreciate if you can advise the size for me on the women cf. I'm currently fitted on a road bike with clip on aero bars with the following measurements:
Pad X (middle of pad to BB) 420mm
Pad Y (top of pad to BB) 667mm
I’m 164cm, 76.8cm inseam, current saddle height 680mm.


Jan,
So glad you wrote.
I don't believe for one second that your optimal triathlon position is Pad Y 667. That spot that the converted road bike has placed is too high up in the wind. When you get lower you will be more comfortable (priority one), more powerful (second priority), and a bit more out of the wind (third priority). When I work on your morphology I get something a bit longer and a lot lower: Pad Y of 576 and Pad X of 440.

I do think an XS is the right bike for you but go into this knowing the tallest the Pad Y on that bike will go is 620. You should have faith in this because.... right now you ride 667 and I think you should be 576. If I'm wrong and you need a bit more height in your pads this will go up 40+mm to meet you nicely - not all the way to 667 but that can't be your place. The Pad X range is no problem for you swinging from 420-465 so you'll find your perfect spot.

Couple of side notes. While there is a legit difference between the women/men versions or road bikes in the Canyon line the tri bikes are unisex and they should be. The only difference in the women's version of the CF is color. Also, This bike will show up and it'll be ready to fit you in lots of perfect ways. One thing I'm worried about is this - the cranks that come on the bike will be too long (172.5mm). My advice is simple - before you throw a leg over this bike pull the 172.5s so you can sell them as never ridden. If you simply have to stay on Shimano then get a set of Shimano 105 level cranks in 160mm (shortest they make). If you really want optimal comfort/performance I urge you to acquire a set of 155mm from Cobb or Rotor and have them installed on your bike.

Ian

Hi Ian.
Thought I drop a message to thank you for recommending the XS and also the Pad X and Y for the speedmax. I got the bike couple days ago and set it up according to what you suggested (except the crank) and went out for a 4.5 hours ride. The fit is almost perfect, and I could dial into the fit almost immediately. I'm taking note of all the discomforts so that when i go to get a bike fit, the fitter would have an idea what to adjust. Very very happy with your recommendation. Coincidentally the LBS in my area has one last set of 155mm Cobb crankset available with a very good price.
Thank you once again for your assistance.
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Re: Official FIT ASSISTANCE for Canyon Speedmax CF and CF SLX [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Ian,
Thanks for your response (a few weeks ago), I've had chance to play with the bike a bit now and I think I'm getting there although I just wanted to run a few things past you if possible.

Attached is a small video of the current set-up, the vid quality is very low but I had to do that to meet the attachment size limit on this forum. It would be great to get your thoughts.

Seat height - I set it as previous bike but I think it could come up a bit.
Set Back - I was worried about cockpit distance being too big so put the seat as far forward as it would go... I think it may need to come back slightly. It feels comfortable, but the set back is about 0 at the moment, on my old bike it was more like 6cm. Is a 0cm setback a bad thing or shall I just leave it as it is?
I think I could move the seat back 1-2cm and still have a cockpit distance that is comfortable, so I'm thinking of trying that next.
Pad Drop - I've got it approx 10% of seat height as you suggested, to do this I got hold of some of the max size risers that profile design do (70mm). It feels comfortable but looking at pictures and the video, I think I look very upright. So I'm not sure if I should bring this down a bit. Also for comfort I moved the areobars apart slightly (increasing pad width), I have broad shoulders and this seemed to make things more comfortable as well as being similar to what I am used to on my old bike.

Many Thanks for your help, I really appreciate.
Jeremy
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Re: Official FIT ASSISTANCE for Canyon Speedmax CF and CF SLX [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Ian,
appreciate for your reply.
Of course I am not expect fitting advises - it was my mistake with the initial request.

My intention of the question was rather your opinion in relation to my frame size (L) and current Y/X.
I think that stack is too high and will calibrate slighlty position. I am not feeling that position where Y is 720 is OK.

I will record short video/with the position.
regards
Adam
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