Amen :)

Slowman,

Out of interest, what would make you (or anyone else in North America) pick this bike over something like a speed concept, P5 etc.??

SC - regarded as one of the fastest frames on the market, highly adjustable, draft box, huge dealer network with easy access to parts, etc.

Canyon - they decided to sponsor some top pros. Not as many people have them. But near impossible to get, saying they are coming to NA for the past two years. No big dealer network in NA, etc etc. I'm sure its a great bike, but is it worth the trouble?

i've ridden a lot of tri bikes. i see picking try bikes as kind of in between picking spouses or dogs. spouses: one must be very careful when deciding on one. very easy to go wrong. dogs: very hard to pick the "wrong" dog. almost all dogs are great dogs. can't go wrong regardless of choice. tri bikes: some are aggravating, troublesome, cost to much, like a poor spousal decision. but, i can be happy with a lot of tri bikes. i'm an easy bike owner to get along with.

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Glad you are following and explaining this as it happens. As you say, a rare opportunity to take advantage of transparency. Moreover, this is playing out on an athlete for whom the stakes are very high, and who is also physically idiosyncratic as a rider.

Even your comments on speedplay were news to me, and I have ridden speedplay for years because of knee issues.

But when demand outpaces supply by such a margin, you're either overspending on marketing, pricing too low, or some combination of the two.

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The bike he's on in Talbot's vids is a medium. We indeed went back and forth with his fitter and our team back in Koblenz based on his measurements. That established, we are making a small frameset available if, over the course of his first bit of testing and racing, he feels better on a small. Initial feedback from him (and my own look at how he's fitting and riding the bike from the time I was out there with him) leads me to believe medium is gonna be the right size. But what do I know? ;-) More miles and time will tell the full story. Only one way to find out.

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if he moves to a small I am done with Lionel and Canyon.

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I have no idea why he went with a small on a garneau and no clue why he would with you. He's taller than me, his legs look longer and not shorter...so going smaller wasn't the right move. And I ride a "medium".

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He went to a small on the Garneau as the lowest stack height on the medium he believed was still to high and wanted to go lower.

I refer you to FLO wheels...


The point is, you don't actually KNOW what demand is going to be until you start selling, and you don't know what the market will bear, price wise, until you start selling. Because of their distribution, with no B&M support, they probably need to be selling equivalent models to Giant, Trek, etc at price points below what Trek and Giant can offer.


It's better, from the company's perspective, to be conservative and undersupply the market than to be overly aggressive and oversaturate the market.

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Do you ride a M size Canyon?

As far as I know, Lange is riding a small speedmax (178cm)... the whole thing about Canyon an people between 174 and 178 is confusing!!

No, this is a general criticism. Lionel isn't the only athlete that has shrunk down on frames...I need to pull it, but there's a Giant athlete that's 6-2 on a small frame...wild.

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Or it is very temporary ?

Understand this !

In these "Canyon launch" pictures, he look so much better than on the Garneau small size.
Longer, more relaxed arms, torso and back, instead of this round back, as if he was an over constrained spring.

Here, it look like a fast and relaxed triathlete, not as if he was weighting lift, or constrained in a sardine can.

I have no concept of how tall a guy he is?

5`10" (178cm) apparantly.

WOW. I would be blown away if he went to a small. I'm 5-11 and can't even come close to fitting on a canyon in a large it's too small.

I'm 6' and had a look to what would fit me (Speedmax CF SLX) :
reach : M is Ok, but little margin, L better
stack : L is too high, M is better

So would go M (and not L), with a risk to be limited in pad reach

It seems to me that Lionel was "compressed" horizontally before, and much better on the pictures with the Canyon M and current fit. Looks great.