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Re: Lionel in Wind Tunnel : bet on new CdA [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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rruff wrote:
talbotcox wrote:
They went with the XS frame. The best CDA he got to was -.001


XS Canyon? Best CdA was -.001 compared to what?

*whoosh*
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Re: Lionel in Wind Tunnel : bet on new CdA [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks. Thinking that amount is too small to call... and an XS doesn't restrict his position options?
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Re: Lionel in Wind Tunnel : bet on new CdA [Livio Livius] [ In reply to ]
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Livio Livius wrote:
Pyrenean Wolf wrote:

The Swiss guy (help me with the name)

Roy Hinnen.

Wow, that is a name from the past. Didn’t know he eas still in a sort of way involved in the sport. Pretty cool, he was a pretty good athlete in the late ‘80’s/early ‘90’s.

Jeroen

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Re: Lionel in Wind Tunnel : bet on new CdA [TRIPRO] [ In reply to ]
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TRIPRO wrote:
Livio Livius wrote:
Pyrenean Wolf wrote:


The Swiss guy (help me with the name)


Roy Hinnen.


Wow, that is a name from the past. Didn’t know he eas still in a sort of way involved in the sport. Pretty cool, he was a pretty good athlete in the late ‘80’s/early ‘90’s.

Jeroen

Jeroen, he has a great Youtube channel. At this moment he is transferring his channel to english to reach more athlete's.
A pitty that we do not have such channels in NL like Roy or triahlonszene (German).
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Re: Lionel in Wind Tunnel : bet on new CdA [grumpier.mike] [ In reply to ]
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grumpier.mike wrote:
Hmmm. Interesting of that is the final position. Very flat forearms aren't the usual recipe for success.

Jan has flat forearms. So that’s where Lionel goes.

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Re: Lionel in Wind Tunnel : bet on new CdA [BigBoyND] [ In reply to ]
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 I missed it at first too. After seeing the 9.0 CDA announced on Instagram then 0.001 improvement should've set off the "Talbot is making a joke" bell
Last edited by: lacticturkey: Dec 13, 18 11:57
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Re: Lionel in Wind Tunnel : bet on new CdA [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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talbotcox wrote:
An XL frame.

That is interesting since there is no XL speedmax CF SLX in size XL........and also no XS unless they have those sizes available to pro’s and not to the public.

Jeroen

Owner at TRIPRO, The Netherlands
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Re: Lionel in Wind Tunnel : bet on new CdA [TRIPRO] [ In reply to ]
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 My bad it was an XXXL frame
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Re: Lionel in Wind Tunnel : bet on new CdA [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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talbotcox wrote:
My bad it was an XXXL frame

That's an invalid Roman Numeral. It would just be written as XX

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Re: Lionel in Wind Tunnel : bet on new CdA [BigBoyND] [ In reply to ]
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BigBoyND wrote:
rruff wrote:
talbotcox wrote:
They went with the XS frame. The best CDA he got to was -.001


XS Canyon? Best CdA was -.001 compared to what?


*whoosh*

This guy also did extensive testing to select the best frame size, and ended up here:


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Re: Lionel in Wind Tunnel : bet on new CdA [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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talbotcox wrote:
My bad it was an XXXL frame


Ah, that cleared things up :-)

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Re: Lionel in Wind Tunnel : bet on new CdA [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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talbotcox wrote:
My bad it was an XXXL frame

you're doing good work, I approve.

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Re: Lionel in Wind Tunnel : bet on new CdA [rruff] [ In reply to ]
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rruff wrote:
BigBoyND wrote:
rruff wrote:
talbotcox wrote:
They went with the XS frame. The best CDA he got to was -.001


XS Canyon? Best CdA was -.001 compared to what?


*whoosh*


This guy also did extensive testing to select the best frame size, and ended up here:


But this guy is constrained by UCI rules, so he can't go long... so he take a smaller frame and goes up...
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Re: Lionel in Wind Tunnel : bet on new CdA [Morelock] [ In reply to ]
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crazy when you're wrenching on the bike it seems like changing the cockpit height that much is going to make you sit up like a kite. Then you see yourself on the bike and you think "damn."
Levi Leipheimer used to be the guy to point to when someone confused saddle to pad drop to low.

Well, it all depends on your body type. Levi is a pretty small guy with short upper arms. Anyone with that kind of morphology doesn't need much drop at all to be aero. For a larger person with long upper arms it's going to be pretty hard to get really aero without a decent amount of drop unless you go pretty far in the superman direction.

The point is well taken that low doesn't always mean more aero, and the same pad height can result in very substantial differences in aero depending on your posture. However, most triathletes start out high. And they go wide. And they don't turtle or keep their head down. And they wonder why some other people go faster on fewer watts. Plus, the prevailing wisdom in tri circles until fairly recently was to go with a pretty short reach with upper arms completely vertical. You need to go significantly lower to attain the same shoulder height with short reach than if you extend the reach forward a bit.

The mantra of don't go too low seems to be directed at very aero saavy riders, but there are a lot of barn doors out there that could actually stand to go lower.
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Re: Lionel in Wind Tunnel : bet on new CdA [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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talbotcox wrote:
They went with the XS frame. The best CDA he got to was -.001

You reeled in some good ones today. Well done.
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Re: Lionel in Wind Tunnel : bet on new CdA [tttiltheend] [ In reply to ]
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For a larger person with long upper arms it's going to be pretty hard to get really aero without a decent amount of drop unless you go pretty far in the superman direction.

Posture. There is a big range depending on how you hold your shoulders.
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Re: Lionel in Wind Tunnel : bet on new CdA [talbotcox] [ In reply to ]
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No news or pictures from the velodrome fit ?
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