Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated

Nov 14, 18 5:50

Post #1 of 25 (1564 views)

Neomi Jehangir Rao:

Parents were immigrants from India. Raised in Bloomfield Hills, MI. Undergraduate degree from Yale and law degree from University of Chicago Law School (2000). Clerked at the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals as well as for Clarence Thomas at SCOTUS. Editor work at Chicago's law review and executive editorship at Harvard Journal of Law. Private practice at British law firm Clifford Chance in London. Worked in the Dubya Bush White House's legal counsel office and as a staffer with the Senate's judiciary committee. Professor (gaining tenure in 2012) at George Mason's law school. Founded the Center for the Study of the Administrative State in 2015.

She currently serves as administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, which is a Senate-confirmed position. She is basically the Trump administration's regulatory czar and has been instrumental in the effort to reduce government regulations over the last two years.

I predict that Democrats will, of course, hate this nomination. But barring some sort of scandal in her past (a real one, not something imagined in the perfervid dreams of creepy porn lawyers and 85-year-old Democrat senators), they're powerless to prevent confirmation, if not in this coming lame duck Senate session, then next year in the new, even more Republican and even more conservative one.

She's probably also being positioned for a possible SCOTUS vacancy in the future, should either current Justices Stephen Breyer (80 years old) or Ruth Bader Ginsburg (85 years old) retire or leave the Court due to poor health or something similar.

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 6:06

Post #2 of 25 (1529 views)

big kahuna wrote:

I predict that Democrats will, of course, hate this nomination.

people who don't look like you do, or worship like you do, with names you can't easily pronounce, can turn out to be the sort of american you'd admire. refreshing, isn't it?

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [Slowman] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 6:15

Post #3 of 25 (1514 views)

Slowman wrote:

big kahuna wrote:

I predict that Democrats will, of course, hate this nomination.

people who don't look like you do, or worship like you do, with names you can't easily pronounce, can turn out to be the sort of american you'd admire. refreshing, isn't it?

Especially when they or their parents came here legally.

(You obviously missed the Veteran's Day thread where it was remarked that I looked like Officer Ramathorn in "Super Troopers" ;-)

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 6:48

Post #4 of 25 (1449 views)

big kahuna wrote:

Slowman wrote:

big kahuna wrote:

I predict that Democrats will, of course, hate this nomination.

people who don't look like you do, or worship like you do, with names you can't easily pronounce, can turn out to be the sort of american you'd admire. refreshing, isn't it?

Especially when they or their parents came here legally.

(You obviously missed the Veteran's Day thread where it was remarked that I looked like Officer Ramathorn in "Super Troopers" ;-)

what U.S. law has the "caravan" broken?

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [Slowman] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 6:54

Post #5 of 25 (1437 views)

what U.S. law has the "caravan" broken?

The election is over, no need to talk about the invasion, err, caravan, again.

Well, it will be brought up again in just under 2 years but until then, let's move along shall we?

Last edited by: Sanuk: Nov 14, 18 7:22

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 6:54

Post #6 of 25 (1436 views)

Someone with a law degree neither from Yale or Harvard. That is not allowed.

They constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within
Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [Slowman] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 9:29

Post #7 of 25 (1320 views)

Slowman wrote:

big kahuna wrote:

Slowman wrote:

big kahuna wrote:

I predict that Democrats will, of course, hate this nomination.

people who don't look like you do, or worship like you do, with names you can't easily pronounce, can turn out to be the sort of american you'd admire. refreshing, isn't it?

Especially when they or their parents came here legally.

(You obviously missed the Veteran's Day thread where it was remarked that I looked like Officer Ramathorn in "Super Troopers" ;-)

what U.S. law has the "caravan" broken?

Is there any post or thread where I've said those people have broken the laws of the United States while they're down in Mexico?

They're also more than welcome to make a claim of asylum, at which point the proper mechanisms will kick in and their claim will be investigated. I don't see anything that mandates them being released into the interior of the country, while their claim is being investigated, however.

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [Slowman] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 9:45

Post #8 of 25 (1288 views)

Slowman wrote:

what U.S. law has the "caravan" broken?

yet.. fixed it for you.

actually if they are going to claim asylum, they are supposed to do it in the first "safe" country they cross into. We can argue if Mexico is "safe" but we can also argue if the "USA" is safe.. we have a higher murder rate ... on to Canada.............

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [spntrxi] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 9:52

Post #9 of 25 (1279 views)

spntrxi wrote:

Slowman wrote:

what U.S. law has the "caravan" broken?

yet.. fixed it for you.

actually if they are going to claim asylum, they are supposed to do it in the first "safe" country they cross into. We can argue if Mexico is "safe" but we can also argue if the "USA" is safe.. we have a higher murder rate ... on to Canada.............

Please point out the US law that says they must apply in the first safe country they cross. Hint: It does not exist.

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 9:55

Post #10 of 25 (1274 views)

Just what we need, another SCOTUS Justice who has never worked in the real world ...

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [JSA] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 10:03

Post #11 of 25 (1252 views)

JSA wrote:

Just what we need, another SCOTUS Justice who has never worked in the real world ...

I look at this like college professors who have never worked in the real world and then tell us what is necessary to succeed in business. Laws, like education, applied without any real world context.

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Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 10:05

Post #12 of 25 (1248 views)

big kahuna wrote:

Slowman wrote:

big kahuna wrote:

Slowman wrote:

big kahuna wrote:

I predict that Democrats will, of course, hate this nomination.

people who don't look like you do, or worship like you do, with names you can't easily pronounce, can turn out to be the sort of american you'd admire. refreshing, isn't it?

Especially when they or their parents came here legally.

(You obviously missed the Veteran's Day thread where it was remarked that I looked like Officer Ramathorn in "Super Troopers" ;-)

what U.S. law has the "caravan" broken?

Is there any post or thread where I've said those people have broken the laws of the United States while they're down in Mexico?

They're also more than welcome to make a claim of asylum, at which point the proper mechanisms will kick in and their claim will be investigated. I don't see anything that mandates them being released into the interior of the country, while their claim is being investigated, however.

-
and so it begins:

"The Border Patrol said Saturday that several groups of people from the so-called Central American caravan have tried to enter the United States illegally by scaling dilapidated portions of the border fence near San Ysidro.

“In several of these incidents, children as young as 4-years-old, and in one case a pregnant female, were detected entering the United States illegally through a dark, treacherous canyon that is notorious for human and drug smuggling,” said Chief Patrol Agent Rodney S. Scott."
https://timesofsandiego.com/...scaled-border-fence/

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [dave_w] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 10:10

Post #13 of 25 (1234 views)

dave_w wrote:

big kahuna wrote:

Slowman wrote:

big kahuna wrote:

Slowman wrote:

big kahuna wrote:

I predict that Democrats will, of course, hate this nomination.

people who don't look like you do, or worship like you do, with names you can't easily pronounce, can turn out to be the sort of american you'd admire. refreshing, isn't it?

Especially when they or their parents came here legally.

(You obviously missed the Veteran's Day thread where it was remarked that I looked like Officer Ramathorn in "Super Troopers" ;-)

what U.S. law has the "caravan" broken?

Is there any post or thread where I've said those people have broken the laws of the United States while they're down in Mexico?

They're also more than welcome to make a claim of asylum, at which point the proper mechanisms will kick in and their claim will be investigated. I don't see anything that mandates them being released into the interior of the country, while their claim is being investigated, however.

-
and so it begins:

"The Border Patrol said Saturday that several groups of people from the so-called Central American caravan have tried to enter the United States illegally by scaling dilapidated portions of the border fence near San Ysidro.

“In several of these incidents, children as young as 4-years-old, and in one case a pregnant female, were detected entering the United States illegally through a dark, treacherous canyon that is notorious for human and drug smuggling,” said Chief Patrol Agent Rodney S. Scott."
https://timesofsandiego.com/...scaled-border-fence/

Last I heard, the members of that caravan were a thousand miles away. They raise those four year olds and pregnant women to be pretty good endurance athletes...

From your article:

Quote:

An estimated 350 to 400 migrants have assembled in Tijuana as part of an annual effort by the advocacy group Pueblo sin Fronteras to help migrants flee drugs and violence in Central America. President Trump had dubbed it a “caravan.”

Sounds like a completely different group than the invasion force called out by Trump.

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Last edited by: klehner: Nov 14, 18 10:15

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [TheRef65] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 10:22

Post #14 of 25 (1214 views)

TheRef65 wrote:

JSA wrote:

Just what we need, another SCOTUS Justice who has never worked in the real world ...

I look at this like college professors who have never worked in the real world and then tell us what is necessary to succeed in business. Laws, like education, applied without any real world context.

I have no idea but is it all that common for the sort of cases that come before the Supreme Court to affect what your everyday lawyer is doing out there in the trenches?

I know there are big ones that do but in the course of the year how many supreme court decisions change the way a typical lawyer practices the law?

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 10:37

Post #15 of 25 (1184 views)

ThisIsIt wrote:

TheRef65 wrote:

JSA wrote:

Just what we need, another SCOTUS Justice who has never worked in the real world ...

I look at this like college professors who have never worked in the real world and then tell us what is necessary to succeed in business. Laws, like education, applied without any real world context.

I have no idea but is it all that common for the sort of cases that come before the Supreme Court to affect what your everyday lawyer is doing out there in the trenches?

I know there are big ones that do but in the course of the year how many supreme court decisions change the way a typical lawyer practices the law?

Perhaps if there were people on the court with experience those numbers may change. I don't know and can only guess you were really directing that comment to JSA since he's the law guy.

My take was in business courses in college, only about 10% of my professors had any real world experience and did not understand things that actually happen during the course of a day. I didn't graduate until I was 47 years old and have been in manufacturing and sales for about 30 years. Many, many of the ideas they pressed had little practical application in business but it's what was taught. Did they have some good ideas, yes but they rarely knew how or where they could be applied. I had one professor in marketing, he has his PhD, who would regularly ask me questions about certain aspects of sales and manufacturing in small businesses because it was an area he was unfamiliar.

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Each day is what you make of it so make it the best day possible.

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [klehner] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 10:38

Post #16 of 25 (1184 views)

You can doubt the border patrol if you like, but not USA Today! I think Trump did the right thing by directing that those that try to enter illegally be rejected outright. Most Americans have the compassion for these people, but want things to be done by the established process.

"The first large wave of the migrant caravan arrived in Tijuana early Tuesday morning. About 400 migrants, mostly from Central America, rolled into the border city on nine buses. Some hung out of bus windows and cheered; at least one Honduran flag fluttered outside a window."

https://www.usatoday.com/...r-mexico/1988590002/

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 10:39

Post #17 of 25 (1180 views)

ThisIsIt wrote:

TheRef65 wrote:

JSA wrote:

Just what we need, another SCOTUS Justice who has never worked in the real world ...

I look at this like college professors who have never worked in the real world and then tell us what is necessary to succeed in business. Laws, like education, applied without any real world context.

I have no idea but is it all that common for the sort of cases that come before the Supreme Court to affect what your everyday lawyer is doing out there in the trenches?

I know there are big ones that do but in the course of the year how many supreme court decisions change the way a typical lawyer practices the law?

The reason it is important is because lawyers have clients and clients work in the real world. Working with clients, you see how the law operates in the real world, who it impacts, how it is applied, the unintended consequences, etc., etc.

The world is not a law school exam. You have to make real decisions that impact real lives. You have to take a position, defend a position, understand the limitations of the position, etc., etc.

I know the impact of the ACA because I have hundreds of clients who have to deal with the ACA. I know the impact of cases involving privacy rights because my clients have to deal with employee privacy rights. I know the impact of free speech because my school district clients face the issue daily.

That is what is often missing on the Bench.

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [TheRef65] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 10:43

Post #18 of 25 (1174 views)

TheRef65 wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

TheRef65 wrote:

JSA wrote:

Just what we need, another SCOTUS Justice who has never worked in the real world ...

I look at this like college professors who have never worked in the real world and then tell us what is necessary to succeed in business. Laws, like education, applied without any real world context.

I have no idea but is it all that common for the sort of cases that come before the Supreme Court to affect what your everyday lawyer is doing out there in the trenches?

I know there are big ones that do but in the course of the year how many supreme court decisions change the way a typical lawyer practices the law?

Perhaps if there were people on the court with experience those numbers may change. I don't know and can only guess you were really directing that comment to JSA since he's the law guy.

My take was in business courses in college, only about 10% of my professors had any real world experience and did not understand things that actually happen during the course of a day. I didn't graduate until I was 47 years old and have been in manufacturing and sales for about 30 years. Many, many of the ideas they pressed had little practical application in business but it's what was taught. Did they have some good ideas, yes but they rarely knew how or where they could be applied. I had one professor in marketing, he has his PhD, who would regularly ask me questions about certain aspects of sales and manufacturing in small businesses because it was an area he was unfamiliar.

My wife is a administrative person in a business college, the dean is a management person but my wife says he's an awful manager :)

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [TheRef65] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 10:50

Post #19 of 25 (1159 views)

TheRef65 wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

TheRef65 wrote:

JSA wrote:

Just what we need, another SCOTUS Justice who has never worked in the real world ...

I look at this like college professors who have never worked in the real world and then tell us what is necessary to succeed in business. Laws, like education, applied without any real world context.

I have no idea but is it all that common for the sort of cases that come before the Supreme Court to affect what your everyday lawyer is doing out there in the trenches?

I know there are big ones that do but in the course of the year how many supreme court decisions change the way a typical lawyer practices the law?

Perhaps if there were people on the court with experience those numbers may change. I don't know and can only guess you were really directing that comment to JSA since he's the law guy.

My take was in business courses in college, only about 10% of my professors had any real world experience and did not understand things that actually happen during the course of a day. I didn't graduate until I was 47 years old and have been in manufacturing and sales for about 30 years. Many, many of the ideas they pressed had little practical application in business but it's what was taught. Did they have some good ideas, yes but they rarely knew how or where they could be applied. I had one professor in marketing, he has his PhD, who would regularly ask me questions about certain aspects of sales and manufacturing in small businesses because it was an area he was unfamiliar.

-
Serious kudos to that guy for unencumbered intellectual curiosity.

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [spntrxi] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 11:36

Post #20 of 25 (1116 views)

spntrxi wrote:

Slowman wrote:

what U.S. law has the "caravan" broken?

yet.. fixed it for you. actually if they are going to claim asylum, they are supposed to do it in the first "safe" country they cross into. We can argue if Mexico is "safe" but we can also argue if the "USA" is safe.. we have a higher murder rate ... on to Canada.............

many did stop in mexico. many are stopping in mexico. many are going to claim asylum, according to the U.S. laws now on our books.

but, beyond that, are you old enough to post on this forum? because, generally, as a person ages, that person climbs outside of what only matters to him, and begins to see the world from another's perspective. thru the eyes of folks other than oneself. do you know who's in this caravan? because, there's been a lot of reporting of it. not speculation. not scare tactics. not propaganda. actual reporting from the caravan. it's women and kids. it's women taking their kids. it's teenagers. they tend to have stories, pretty well consistent with that we know, about the untenable choices (just like some kids on the U.S.) presented to them in their home countries.

some of these folks are going to try to crawl under a wire or thru a tunnel. i'll grant you that. but you've decided that it's more fun, more comforting, salutary, more self-satisfying, to pick someone to hate and then just spend your day hating; to wait for your next email explaining how you can hate more efficiently or fervently. and no, it's not a case of your hate or open borders. grownups look at a tough set of circumstances, with no clear and simple solution, and try to fashion one.

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [dave_w] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 11:38

Post #21 of 25 (1110 views)

dave_w wrote:

You can doubt the border patrol if you like, but not USA Today! I think Trump did the right thing by directing that those that try to enter illegally be rejected outright. Most Americans have the compassion for these people, but want things to be done by the established process.

"The first large wave of the migrant caravan arrived in Tijuana early Tuesday morning. About 400 migrants, mostly from Central America, rolled into the border city on nine buses. Some hung out of bus windows and cheered; at least one Honduran flag fluttered outside a window."

https://www.usatoday.com/...r-mexico/1988590002/

That can't possibly be correct. The caravan was going to the Texas border, if not why did trump send thousands of troops there and keep them there?

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [JSA] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 11:40

Post #22 of 25 (1109 views)

JSA wrote:

ThisIsIt wrote:

TheRef65 wrote:

JSA wrote:

Just what we need, another SCOTUS Justice who has never worked in the real world ...

I look at this like college professors who have never worked in the real world and then tell us what is necessary to succeed in business. Laws, like education, applied without any real world context.

I have no idea but is it all that common for the sort of cases that come before the Supreme Court to affect what your everyday lawyer is doing out there in the trenches?

I know there are big ones that do but in the course of the year how many supreme court decisions change the way a typical lawyer practices the law?

The reason it is important is because lawyers have clients and clients work in the real world. Working with clients, you see how the law operates in the real world, who it impacts, how it is applied, the unintended consequences, etc., etc.

The world is not a law school exam. You have to make real decisions that impact real lives. You have to take a position, defend a position, understand the limitations of the position, etc., etc.

I know the impact of the ACA because I have hundreds of clients who have to deal with the ACA. I know the impact of cases involving privacy rights because my clients have to deal with employee privacy rights. I know the impact of free speech because my school district clients face the issue daily.

That is what is often missing on the Bench.

Jobs are for the peasant class.

We'll just have to content ourselves with getting someone not from Yale or Harvard.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [dave_w] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 15:48

Post #23 of 25 (1037 views)

dave_w wrote:

big kahuna wrote:

Slowman wrote:

big kahuna wrote:

Slowman wrote:

big kahuna wrote:

I predict that Democrats will, of course, hate this nomination.

people who don't look like you do, or worship like you do, with names you can't easily pronounce, can turn out to be the sort of american you'd admire. refreshing, isn't it?

Especially when they or their parents came here legally.

(You obviously missed the Veteran's Day thread where it was remarked that I looked like Officer Ramathorn in "Super Troopers" ;-)

what U.S. law has the "caravan" broken?

Is there any post or thread where I've said those people have broken the laws of the United States while they're down in Mexico?

They're also more than welcome to make a claim of asylum, at which point the proper mechanisms will kick in and their claim will be investigated. I don't see anything that mandates them being released into the interior of the country, while their claim is being investigated, however.

-
and so it begins:

"The Border Patrol said Saturday that several groups of people from the so-called Central American caravan have tried to enter the United States illegally by scaling dilapidated portions of the border fence near San Ysidro.

“In several of these incidents, children as young as 4-years-old, and in one case a pregnant female, were detected entering the United States illegally through a dark, treacherous canyon that is notorious for human and drug smuggling,” said Chief Patrol Agent Rodney S. Scott."
https://timesofsandiego.com/...scaled-border-fence/

This sounds a little prearranged. They had to have known they'd be caught. Some organization(s) probably had them try to enter illegally because they want to get this whole thing into the courts in front of a friendly federal judge at the district level (it'll be in the 9th Circuit, of course).

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [dave_w] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 19:23

Post #24 of 25 (985 views)

Where was the army? I thought the rules of engagement were to shoot on site.

“Read the transcript.”

Re: Brett Kavanaugh's Successor is Nominated [Slowman] [ In reply to ]

Nov 14, 18 21:40

Post #25 of 25 (165 views)

Slowman wrote:

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blah blah blah

what hate.. what email are you talking about. Can you grow up and not fabricate stuff ?

I dont hate them..but there is a process to get into this country and I would prefer it followed.

Last edited by: spntrxi: Nov 14, 18 21:43

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