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Re: TdF Stage 12 Alpe d'Huez: ....who does Sky Protect ? [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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So Froome does not need to go ballistic to get back yellow, he just needs to play the odds that his teammate will have a bad day and go back into helper mode. Trying to attack his own teammate while the guy is in yellow will just feed the press frenzy anyway at this point.

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Yes but how is it likely that GT will have a "bad" day without pressure from Froome. That's the thing.....GT has never been allowed to be in this type of leadership position has he, he's always been a grunt in the pace line that falls off when he's hit his limit. So then it becomes, what's going to make him have a bad day? All the GC guys have bad days *mostly* from the continued pressure from Sky every single day. Can GT call off some of the pressure?


That's the beauty in that it's likely to take Froome "attacking" his own teammate to win it, if he "waits" for him to have a bad day that pressure is just going to grow. Imo Froome's ally's are pretty much GC guys 4-8th who still need to attack. He can latch onto their wheel and get help from them to drive the pace and it looks like a peaceful tactic and not Froome "attacking" his own teammate. GT's "ally" is TD who really only needs to sit in on Froome's time and he'll likely get Froome in itt. The problem with both is the time to GT, I think it has to get below 30s going into the iTT.

I think what happens is Nairo/Landa/Bardet attack, Dumoulin goes, Froome has the excuse to mark Dumoulin, and Thomas gets dropped on his bad day. This is the only way Froome attacks his teammate in yellow. In essence Froomes rivals become his allies on the intra squad one upmanship!

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Re: TdF Stage 12 Alpe d'Huez: ....who does Sky Protect ? [Sean H] [ In reply to ]
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From this video it looks like to me Nibali was farther over to the right than the guys in front of him. He expected the spectator to move out of the way, but it actually looks like the spectator was standing right at the end of the start of the barrier. Nibali didn’t realize this as the spectator was blocking it, and also someone had just set off a smoke bomb right before that so that was probably also affecting his line of sight. So if the spectator had moved back Nibali would have then run into the barrier.

Yesterday was an absolute disgrace. Yes the fans are part of what make races like TdF and P-R awesome, but in some cases and some races the fans are ruining things. We've gone from the occasional fan stupidity (e.g., Guerini) to race-wrecking chaos with massive drunken crowds cramping the roads, assholes trying to get selfies and the fact that you can't seem to have a gathering in Europe anymore without people setting off smoke bombs.

What happened to Nibali was criminal. And I'm not even going to get into the spitting and cursing directed towards some riders. Ban the fucking smoke bombs. Put up barriers at Dutch corner and elsewhere. Harshly limit the number of people allowed in certain areas. The riders deserve it.
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Re: TdF Stage 12 Alpe d'Huez: ....who does Sky Protect ? [BlackStumpGumby] [ In reply to ]
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BlackStumpGumby wrote:
Sean H wrote:
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devashish_paul wrote:



From this video it looks like to me Nibali was farther over to the right than the guys in front of him. He expected the spectator to move out of the way, but it actually looks like the spectator was standing right at the end of the start of the barrier. Nibali didn’t realize this as the spectator was blocking it, and also someone had just set off a smoke bomb right before that so that was probably also affecting his line of sight. So if the spectator had moved back Nibali would have then run into the barrier.


Yesterday was an absolute disgrace. Yes the fans are part of what make races like TdF and P-R awesome, but in some cases and some races the fans are ruining things. We've gone from the occasional fan stupidity (e.g., Guerini) to race-wrecking chaos with massive drunken crowds cramping the roads, assholes trying to get selfies and the fact that you can't seem to have a gathering in Europe anymore without people setting off smoke bombs.

What happened to Nibali was criminal. And I'm not even going to get into the spitting and cursing directed towards some riders. Ban the fucking smoke bombs. Put up barriers at Dutch corner and elsewhere. Harshly limit the number of people allowed in certain areas. The riders deserve it.

Anyone lighting flares should be arrested by police. The flares limit visibility downstream and really set things up for chaos.

Dev
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Re: TdF Stage 12 Alpe d'Huez: ....who does Sky Protect ? [ZenTriBrett] [ In reply to ]
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