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Re: Giuliani thrown under the bus in a new record time. [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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It's also possible that this wasn't the only thing that Cohen fixed. It's being reported that Cohen took out over $700k in loans. Combine that with the news of retainer payments, well something doesn't add up. All this for a guy that graduated from one of the worst law schools. This guy is a bottom feeder, you don't give him money for his great legal acumen.
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Re: Giuliani thrown under the bus in a new record time. [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]
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FishyJoe wrote:
It's also possible that this wasn't the only thing that Cohen fixed. It's being reported that Cohen took out over $700k in loans. Combine that with the news of retainer payments, well something doesn't add up. All this for a guy that graduated from one of the worst law schools. This guy is a bottom feeder, you don't give him money for his great legal acumen.

Unless you’re Sean Hannity. Oh wait, they were just friends who would sometimes talk about real estate.
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Re: Giuliani thrown under the bus in a new record time. [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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My references to timing were not describing my understanding of the President’s knowledge, but instead, my understanding of these matters.

Rudy doesn't need Trump to throw him under the bus, he's doing a great job on his own.

Why a man who used to be highly regarded go out and throw all dignity away is beyond me. He must lay awake at night and ask the same question.

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Re: Giuliani thrown under the bus in a new record time. [triguy101] [ In reply to ]
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triguy101 wrote:
FishyJoe wrote:
It's also possible that this wasn't the only thing that Cohen fixed. It's being reported that Cohen took out over $700k in loans. Combine that with the news of retainer payments, well something doesn't add up. All this for a guy that graduated from one of the worst law schools. This guy is a bottom feeder, you don't give him money for his great legal acumen.

Unless you’re Sean Hannity. Oh wait, they were just friends who would sometimes talk about real estate.

The story about Hannity talking to him about real estate makes even less sense when you find out that Hannity has a $90 million real estate portfolio - with that much real estate he must have his own lawyer already—-
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Re: Giuliani thrown under the bus in a new record time. [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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https://www.nbcnews.com/...sement-until-n871291

“I don't think the president realized he paid him (Cohen) back for that specific thing until we (his legal team) made him aware of the paperwork,” he said.

Giuliani said the president responded, "Oh my goodness, I guess that's what it was for.”
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Re: Giuliani thrown under the bus in a new record time. [ChiTownJack] [ In reply to ]
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Bhwahaha. I've got some ocean front property in Arizona too.
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Re: Giuliani thrown under the bus in a new record time. [ChiTownJack] [ In reply to ]
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ChiTownJack wrote:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/giuliani-insists-trump-wasn-t-aware-stormy-daniels-reimbursement-until-n871291

“I don't think the president realized he paid him (Cohen) back for that specific thing until we (his legal team) made him aware of the paperwork,” he said.

Giuliani said the president responded, "Oh my goodness, I guess that's what it was for.”

How did you sneak an onion article into a news website?
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Re: Giuliani thrown under the bus in a new record time. [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Why is Giuliani still giving TV interviews? I'm starting to think he's on a false flag operation (Dershowitz tends to agree). He just admitted the possibility that more women were paid off by Cohen, and prematurely talked about Trump taking the 5th. Why on earth would you go public with all this? How could it possibly benefit Trump?
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Re: Giuliani thrown under the bus in a new record time. [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
Why is Giuliani still giving TV interviews? I'm starting to think he's on a false flag operation (Dershowitz tends to agree). He just admitted the possibility that more women were paid off by Cohen, and prematurely talked about Trump taking the 5th. Why on earth would you go public with all this? How could it possibly benefit Trump?

The only logical explanation is that Rudy is a plant by the Hillary campaign. That or Rudy simply hates Trump and is working from the inside.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Giuliani thrown under the bus in a new record time. [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
trail wrote:
Why is Giuliani still giving TV interviews? I'm starting to think he's on a false flag operation (Dershowitz tends to agree). He just admitted the possibility that more women were paid off by Cohen, and prematurely talked about Trump taking the 5th. Why on earth would you go public with all this? How could it possibly benefit Trump?

The only logical explanation is that Rudy is a plant by the Hillary campaign. That or Rudy simply hates Trump and is working from the inside.

I think he and Trump may actually think they are running effective interference. Confusion, obfuscation and going on the attack are part of their strategy. Which if so, implies that they think a traditional defense can't/won't be effective.

As far as the Cohen / Stormy case is concerned, I think they're realising they're on thin ice and are desperate both for the president not to be caught in a blatant lie, while also trying avoid legal jeopardy. On both fronts I suspect they're failing.

On the Mueller investigation they're looking increasingly desperate and now Nunes is trying to get Sessions out. Presumably to have his replacement take back authority for the Russia investigation and fire Mueller. That would be a bold play and I would think hurt the GOP politically. Not sure the investigation can be just ended and locked in a drawer at this point.
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Re: Giuliani thrown under the bus in a new record time. [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Kay Serrar wrote:
j p o wrote:
trail wrote:
Why is Giuliani still giving TV interviews? I'm starting to think he's on a false flag operation (Dershowitz tends to agree). He just admitted the possibility that more women were paid off by Cohen, and prematurely talked about Trump taking the 5th. Why on earth would you go public with all this? How could it possibly benefit Trump?


The only logical explanation is that Rudy is a plant by the Hillary campaign. That or Rudy simply hates Trump and is working from the inside.


I think he and Trump may actually think they are running effective interference. Confusion, obfuscation and going on the attack are part of their strategy. Which if so, implies that they think a traditional defense can't/won't be effective.

As far as the Cohen / Stormy case is concerned, I think they're realising they're on thin ice and are desperate both for the president not to be caught in a blatant lie, while also trying avoid legal jeopardy. On both fronts I suspect they're failing.

On the Mueller investigation they're looking increasingly desperate and now Nunes is trying to get Sessions out. Presumably to have his replacement take back authority for the Russia investigation and fire Mueller. That would be a bold play and I would think hurt the GOP politically. Not sure the investigation can be just ended and locked in a drawer at this point.

in the court of public opinion, and in the short-attention-span news cycle, this is sadly (at least somewhat) true. but the people who really matter - judges, prosecution attorneys, investigators - aren't at all confused by this stuff. so in that sense, if it's their plan, it's a disastrous one.

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Re: Giuliani thrown under the bus in a new record time. [iron_mike] [ In reply to ]
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Giuliani had another productive weekend on the television airwaves.

Meanwhile, he's been struggling with some basic technical equipment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qifvWvA1E
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Re: Giuliani thrown under the bus in a new record time. [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think the sport that gave us this:








Can mock someone for wearing those stupid air pods incorrectly.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Giuliani thrown under the bus in a new record time. [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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Fair point. Doesn't mean Giuliani hasn't become a little senile.

Interesting discussion here about how the Daniels case could pose greater legal jeopardy for Trump than the Mueller probe...

"The greatest danger of the campaign-finance allegations, however, is not the charge itself. These violations are rarely charged criminally and, as shown in the failed prosecution of former Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, difficult to prove.


Rather, the greatest danger is the response to the investigation into campaign-finance violations or fraud. Again, all the prosecutors need is a criminal investigation to lay the foundation for more serious crimes such as obstruction.


Perhaps for that reason, Trump went out the morning after Giulliani's first disastrous interview to deny the former New York mayor's assertions. Then, in an even more embarrassing turn, Giuliani himself insisted that he was “not describing my understanding of the president’s knowledge, but instead, my understanding of these matters.”


However, the "matter” at issue is the president’s knowledge. If the president was involved in sending out a false public account by both his private counsel and White House staff, it could be treated as a potential criminal matter. Likewise, any evidence that Cohen was warned or in any way protected by government officials before the raids could prove incriminating.


Even more worrisome are accounts that Trump continued to call Cohen even though he was warned about the danger of interception and possible cooperation. According to NBC News, Trump made at least one call after his own Justice Department raided Cohen’s office and Cohen was rumored to have recorded conversations with his clients. The recklessness of such a call is impossible to overstate. If prosecutors believe that there is a campaign-finance violation or fraud, such contacts could easily lay the foundation for more serious criminal allegations for Trump.


Trump has always portrayed himself as a vicious “counterpuncher.” However, the federal code has a crime designed specifically for counterpunching in the midst of a criminal investigation. That is how a porn star could succeed where a special counsel fails. Indeed, if Trump is not careful, that is how a porn star could take down a president."

Jonathan Turley, a member of USA TODAY's Board of Contributors, is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University, where he teaches constitutional and tort law.
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