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Trumps Tarrifs. What's China going to do
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So 1300 products. Many part of China's technology strategy will be subject to tariffs.

Just laat week at the end of the party conference China announced that ontology pharmaceuticals amongst others could be imported tariff free.

How will they respond?

One of my colleagues here thinks it will be a hostile takeover of Taiwan and HK

If not now he thinks they will do this at someone point this year.
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Re: Trumps Tarrifs. What's China going to do [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Andrewmc wrote:
So 1300 products. Many part of China's technology strategy will be subject to tariffs.

Just laat week at the end of the party conference China announced that ontology pharmaceuticals amongst others could be imported tariff free.

How will they respond?

One of my colleagues here thinks it will be a hostile takeover of Taiwan and HK

If not now he thinks they will do this at someone point this year.

Your colleague is clueless.
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Re: Trumps Tarrifs. What's China going to do [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Not sure how China can "take over" a territory it already controls - HK.
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Re: Trumps Tarrifs. What's China going to do [Ironnerd] [ In reply to ]
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The question should be "What will Australia do?"

After Trumps announcement $38 billion dollars was wiped off the Australian stock market. With friends like the USA who needs enemies?
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Re: Trumps Tarrifs. What's China going to do [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.newsweek.com/...a-doomed-fail-853412

given jinping alluded to both HK and taiwan in beijing last week i am not sure who is clueless

he did again this week at a military base in hubei

they do not want the continued special status for taiwan, hk, and macau
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Re: Trumps Tarrifs. What's China going to do [Ironnerd] [ In reply to ]
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they are not run the same way as the mainland

jinping wants it all as a single territory. at least thats the word on webo
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Re: Trumps Tarrifs. What's China going to do [Ironnerd] [ In reply to ]
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How could chinese steel tarrifs affect Australia...


Those damn supply chain issues

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Re: Trumps Tarrifs. What's China going to do [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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China's response will not be ham-fisted but start soft and build until the desired balance is struck. China's response will be intelligent, balanced and diplomatic. Like America's foreign and trade policy used to be.

China will start by encouraging domestic business to buy local or European goods and services. I suspect Chinese airlines will opt more frequently for Airbus than Boeing. Award engineering contracts to Siemens over GE. It will be a gentle, subtle but palatable shift. Industry will try and put pressure on the Gov't and hopefully get the current Administration to reconsider.

If that does not work, China will retaliate by increasing tariffs on key American products. The aforementioned aircraft, and on cars. Guess where General Motors sells 3.9M cars per year? China. (vs. 3.0M GM cars sold in the US). China is a big market and still growing. https://qz.com/...t-selling-car-there/
China could even start throttling US tech giants from selling there - maybe Apple will be declared 'in cahoots' with the CIA and get banned in China.

At this point trade will decrease and both economies will be feeling the pain. Any victory in such a trade war would be Pyrrhic.
If Trump is (unwisely) willing to keep the trade war going, China may be forced to test its growing geopolitical sphere of influence. It could start convincing, bribing and cajoling the various East Asian nations to pick a side. I suspect many, if not most, will go with China. Why wouldn't they? China is 4 times larger than the US in population, its local, its growing much more rapidly, its been traditional global power for most of its 5000 year history, its culturally more similar.

This is a stupid fight to pick. Its unnecessary. Its quite clear that US History will not look back kindly on Trump, but this trade war decision may be seen as one of the major contributors to accelerating the decline of the American empire.

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Re: Trumps Tarrifs. What's China going to do [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Andrewmc wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com/president-xi-jinping-warns-taiwan-any-attempts-split-china-doomed-fail-853412

given jinping alluded to both HK and taiwan in beijing last week i am not sure who is clueless

he did again this week at a military base in hubei

they do not want the continued special status for taiwan, hk, and macau

Mini trade spats pop up all the time. Taiwan tensions also ebb and flow. Even if this trade spat turns into something more significant, there is no way China will use it as a pretext for more drastic action over Taiwan. And the article you cited makes no assertion that the two issues are related.

China and the US both know they need each other. Probably us more than them, especially given their enormous holdings of US debt. On 10th January 10-year UST yields spiked through 2.50% on reports that China may buy less US treasuries. China played it down, but it shows the power they have over our economy. China will act proportionately and only escalate if they feel the need, and even that escalation would be nothing like what you are talking about. Rather, it would likely just be more tariffs on US goods.
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Re: Trumps Tarrifs. What's China going to do [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Kay Serrar wrote:
Andrewmc wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com/president-xi-jinping-warns-taiwan-any-attempts-split-china-doomed-fail-853412

given jinping alluded to both HK and taiwan in beijing last week i am not sure who is clueless

he did again this week at a military base in hubei

they do not want the continued special status for taiwan, hk, and macau


Mini trade spats pop up all the time. Taiwan tensions also ebb and flow. Even if this trade spat turns into something more significant, there is no way China will use it as a pretext for more drastic action over Taiwan. And the article you cited makes no assertion that the two issues are related.

China and the US both know they need each other. Probably us more than them, especially given their enormous holdings of US debt. On 10th January 10-year UST yields spiked through 2.50% on reports that China may buy less US treasuries. China played it down, but it shows the power they have over our economy. China will act proportionately and only escalate if they feel the need, and even that escalation would be nothing like what you are talking about. Rather, it would likely just be more tariffs on US goods.

The chinese holding our debt thing is sooo overblown. They own a teeny tiny portion of what the US is worth but everyone acts like they own us. If they were to suddenly cash all of their treasury bonds in (which they can't) it would be a mere blip on the US economy.

The greater implication is what would happen to china. Western countries are responsible for 40% of China's economy. A serious trade war/ebargo with the US and it's allies would completely devastate china economically, and by proxy, politically.
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Re: Trumps Tarrifs. What's China going to do [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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China is going to pinpoint and target products that are smack dab in the middle of Trump country. The farmers are going to get hard, and if it goes too long, South America is going to pick up the slack and probably keep that market share after the war is over. Same goes for autos, and anything else made in the middle of red states. You can believe they are looking at the electoral map and the companies inside of them when they make these decisions.

And it will be smart and end this thing much quicker. What better way to put pressure on the Don than have his own solid going down with the ship base get mad at him and send him nasty emails. He cannot survive without those folks, so hit them fast, and hit them hard, and it is game over, China wins again...
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Re: Trumps Tarrifs. What's China going to do [RZ] [ In reply to ]
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RZ wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:
Andrewmc wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com/president-xi-jinping-warns-taiwan-any-attempts-split-china-doomed-fail-853412

given jinping alluded to both HK and taiwan in beijing last week i am not sure who is clueless

he did again this week at a military base in hubei

they do not want the continued special status for taiwan, hk, and macau


Mini trade spats pop up all the time. Taiwan tensions also ebb and flow. Even if this trade spat turns into something more significant, there is no way China will use it as a pretext for more drastic action over Taiwan. And the article you cited makes no assertion that the two issues are related.

China and the US both know they need each other. Probably us more than them, especially given their enormous holdings of US debt. On 10th January 10-year UST yields spiked through 2.50% on reports that China may buy less US treasuries. China played it down, but it shows the power they have over our economy. China will act proportionately and only escalate if they feel the need, and even that escalation would be nothing like what you are talking about. Rather, it would likely just be more tariffs on US goods.


The chinese holding our debt thing is sooo overblown. They own a teeny tiny portion of what the US is worth but everyone acts like they own us. If they were to suddenly cash all of their treasury bonds in (which they can't) it would be a mere blip on the US economy.

The greater implication is what would happen to china. Western countries are responsible for 40% of China's economy. A serious trade war/ebargo with the US and it's allies would completely devastate china economically, and by proxy, politically.

US allies not even thinking about a trade war with China AFAIK. Nor will US allies follow the US into a trade war with China, at least for no good reason.

China is making deals with US allies. The US is trying to break deals with US allies.
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Re: Trumps Tarrifs. What's China going to do [RZ] [ In reply to ]
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The chinese holding our debt thing is sooo overblown. They own a teeny tiny portion of what the US is worth but everyone acts like they own us. If they were to suddenly cash all of their treasury bonds in (which they can't) it would be a mere blip on the US economy.

I agree, it is way overblown.

I am far from a Trump supporter but I like the fact that he is challenging China. I'm getting tired of how China operates in the world. They go in to countries promising jobs and development and end up hiring Chinese people, taking countries resources, destroying their environments and then taking the money back to China.

I think Trump is on the right track. The price of goods will go up but people have to accept that if you want goods made in your own country, you are going to pay more and Trump is trying to move that along.



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Re: Trumps Tarrifs. What's China going to do [Guffaw] [ In reply to ]
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Guffaw wrote:
China's response will not be ham-fisted but start soft and build until the desired balance is struck. China's response will be intelligent, balanced and diplomatic. Like America's foreign and trade policy used to be.

China will start by encouraging domestic business to buy local or European goods and services. I suspect Chinese airlines will opt more frequently for Airbus than Boeing. Award engineering contracts to Siemens over GE. It will be a gentle, subtle but palatable shift. Industry will try and put pressure on the Gov't and hopefully get the current Administration to reconsider.

If that does not work, China will retaliate by increasing tariffs on key American products. The aforementioned aircraft, and on cars. Guess where General Motors sells 3.9M cars per year? China. (vs. 3.0M GM cars sold in the US). China is a big market and still growing. https://qz.com/...t-selling-car-there/
China could even start throttling US tech giants from selling there - maybe Apple will be declared 'in cahoots' with the CIA and get banned in China.

At this point trade will decrease and both economies will be feeling the pain. Any victory in such a trade war would be Pyrrhic.
If Trump is (unwisely) willing to keep the trade war going, China may be forced to test its growing geopolitical sphere of influence. It could start convincing, bribing and cajoling the various East Asian nations to pick a side. I suspect many, if not most, will go with China. Why wouldn't they? China is 4 times larger than the US in population, its local, its growing much more rapidly, its been traditional global power for most of its 5000 year history, its culturally more similar.

This is a stupid fight to pick. Its unnecessary. Its quite clear that US History will not look back kindly on Trump, but this trade war decision may be seen as one of the major contributors to accelerating the decline of the American empire.

And guess what the tariff is on those cars being imported into China? I'll help you out, almost 30%.

If it is a stupid fight to pick, let it play out. The reality is past administrations, tied to Wall Street have allowed China to charge large tariffs on all products crossing into China, while giving the Chinese free reign to American markets. We'll see what transpires. Maybe the Donald is onto something, maybe he isn't. But what past President's have done. to the benefit of those giving them big checks for their re-election, has not worked.
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Re: Trumps Tarrifs. What's China going to do [RZ] [ In reply to ]
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RZ wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:
Andrewmc wrote:
http://www.newsweek.com/president-xi-jinping-warns-taiwan-any-attempts-split-china-doomed-fail-853412

given jinping alluded to both HK and taiwan in beijing last week i am not sure who is clueless

he did again this week at a military base in hubei

they do not want the continued special status for taiwan, hk, and macau


Mini trade spats pop up all the time. Taiwan tensions also ebb and flow. Even if this trade spat turns into something more significant, there is no way China will use it as a pretext for more drastic action over Taiwan. And the article you cited makes no assertion that the two issues are related.

China and the US both know they need each other. Probably us more than them, especially given their enormous holdings of US debt. On 10th January 10-year UST yields spiked through 2.50% on reports that China may buy less US treasuries. China played it down, but it shows the power they have over our economy. China will act proportionately and only escalate if they feel the need, and even that escalation would be nothing like what you are talking about. Rather, it would likely just be more tariffs on US goods.


The chinese holding our debt thing is sooo overblown. They own a teeny tiny portion of what the US is worth but everyone acts like they own us. If they were to suddenly cash all of their treasury bonds in (which they can't) it would be a mere blip on the US economy.

The greater implication is what would happen to china. Western countries are responsible for 40% of China's economy. A serious trade war/ebargo with the US and it's allies would completely devastate china economically, and by proxy, politically.

I agree it's overblown, but not for the reason you cite. China owns about 6% (USD1.2tn) of the US's ~USD20tn of debt, which is a significant portion. Japan owns about the same, but is considered more strategically aligned, so the US worries less about it. But despite China owning so much US debt, it is highly unlikely they would sell large portions of it. They know that doing so would likely hurt the USD (sending the CNY higher) and send US yields higher hurting the global economy, including their own. They would be cutting off their nose to spite their face. Nevertheless, as seen in January, a mere news report of China's SAFE considering purchasing less Treasury holdings saw a spike in Treasury yields.

China is very adept at sending subtle signals through these kinds of stories/actions. They know what they're doing. Absolutely they have to be mindful of not hurting their own economy, but they will not sit idly by and they have many ways to retaliate. For now they are content holding the higher moral ground, but they will get down and fight dirty if they feel the need.
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Re: Trumps Tarrifs. What's China going to do [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Andrewmc wrote:
China announced that ontology pharmaceuticals amongst others could be imported tariff free.

You must have the "Metaphysical Autocorrect" option enabled.
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Re: Trumps Tarrifs. What's China going to do [Guffaw] [ In reply to ]
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Guffaw wrote:
China's response will not be ham-fisted but start soft and build until the desired balance is struck. China's response will be intelligent, balanced and diplomatic. Like America's foreign and trade policy used to be.

China will start by encouraging domestic business to buy local or European goods and services. I suspect Chinese airlines will opt more frequently for Airbus than Boeing. Award engineering contracts to Siemens over GE. It will be a gentle, subtle but palatable shift. Industry will try and put pressure on the Gov't and hopefully get the current Administration to reconsider.

If that does not work, China will retaliate by increasing tariffs on key American products. The aforementioned aircraft, and on cars. Guess where General Motors sells 3.9M cars per year? China. (vs. 3.0M GM cars sold in the US). China is a big market and still growing. https://qz.com/...t-selling-car-there/
China could even start throttling US tech giants from selling there - maybe Apple will be declared 'in cahoots' with the CIA and get banned in China.

At this point trade will decrease and both economies will be feeling the pain. Any victory in such a trade war would be Pyrrhic.
If Trump is (unwisely) willing to keep the trade war going, China may be forced to test its growing geopolitical sphere of influence. It could start convincing, bribing and cajoling the various East Asian nations to pick a side. I suspect many, if not most, will go with China. Why wouldn't they? China is 4 times larger than the US in population, its local, its growing much more rapidly, its been traditional global power for most of its 5000 year history, its culturally more similar.

This is a stupid fight to pick. Its unnecessary. Its quite clear that US History will not look back kindly on Trump, but this trade war decision may be seen as one of the major contributors to accelerating the decline of the American empire.

Pretty much correct except I would also include China not buying any farm commodities (corn, soybeans, wheat, pork etc). Way to go red farm states, you screwed yourselves. Yep, this fight is dumb as hell. tRump doesn't even know what a trade deficit is so how is he going to "manage" it? He thinks the USA writes a check to China in the amount of the "deficit". What a shithead! Also as explained to me many years ago trade deficits are not necessarily a bad thing. It goes like this, currently China is willing to sell us all kinds of hard goods for little green pieces of paper. And what will China do with those little green pieces of paper? Why, they will invest them. And where will they invest them? Right back here in the good old USA. Win/win.
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MTBSully wrote:
How could chinese steel tarrifs affect Australia...


Those damn supply chain issues

Completely unforeseeable.
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