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Hey SMU! How ya doin'?
"The problem is, too many people living as if it were 9/10."
Actually, I think the problem is that many people are living as if it is still 9/11 or 9/12 2001 and have been unwilling or unable to move with the rest of us into the present time.
Just as the world changed on 9/11, the world has continued to change since then.
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You're not stuck in traffic. You ARE traffic.
You do know that Wikipedia's credibility is an issue these days I hope. It's not a reliable source for many things. Just remember, people (you or I ) can change the content and add to the content in Wikipedia. Much of it is unchecked.
You do know that Wikipedia's credibility is an issue these days I hope.
In this case, Wikipedia is correct in the technical details. Matt just misread it. No harm, no foul.
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
You get outraged over everything, Vitus.
Hey, you ever going to get around to answering that question about leaking classified information about illegal activity?
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
Was your question about the legality of leaking news of law breaking?
I would think the proper procedure would be to report internally, not to the NY Times. If internal lawyers smack down your complaint, I doubt you have the right to play amateur lawyer and overrule them on your own authority.
If you do decide to leak, you should go all the way and go public and take your chances, not hide behind some reporter's skirt. Since you are so certain you are right, you really have nothing to fear.
Of course leakers seldom do this. They leak to further their own agendas for the most part, not out of some outraged conscience.
That is the exact attitude which will yield more 9/11s.
I would think the proper procedure would be to report internally, not to the NY Times.
So let's get hypothetical. You're an NSA analyst. Your boss comes in one morning with an Executive Order from the president authorizing an illegal activity. . . No, wait, let me adjust the hypothetical for you. You're a CIA agent, and your boss shows up one morning with an Executive Order authorizing the assassination of select US citizens.
Who do you report that to internally?
I doubt you have the right to play amateur lawyer and overrule them on your own authority.
You are deft at evading the question, Art. The question remains: If an action is classified, but also illegal, do you think it's a crime to leak it? Yes, or no?
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
Is it a crime to leak it? Yes. Personally, I would probably contact a member of the appropriate Intelligence Committee after getting the order in writing.
I wouldn't go to the NY Times, unless I was willing to lose my job and go public.
Once all available options were explored in your obviously flagrent context, I might do exactly that.
The real world leaves things less black and white. In this case, illegality is unlikely.
Illegality is obvious to everyone but you Art.
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That is the exact attitude which will yield more 9/11s.
There won't be any more 9/11's because we are fighting terrorists over there and not here and with the added bonus of illegally wire tapping and intercepting e-mails, which has the negative effect of infringing on our rights, but has the counter balancing positive effect of ensuring we will not be attacked again.
With those policies in place, I'm pretty sure we will not be attacked again. If we are and someone has the audacity to question why, the administration will ignore the hundreds of billions spent, the 2,200 soldiers lost, the abuses of the powers of the Executive Branch and resort to the old, "how can you politicize this tragic event" or "our enemies will stop at nothing and we now have to attack Syria and do more wiretapping to ensure this will never happen again" or my favorite "these new attacks are the result of Clinton's policies in the late 90's."
I am being sarcastic but is anyone else feeling that all of the policies in place since 9/11 are not really making us more secure? I know we have not been attacked, thank God, and I pray we never are, but honestly, do you feel safer?
I can honestly say that I don't particularly feel safer even though I am not privy to the inner workings of government, but our response to Katrina made me feel that we really don't have things together. Our big country is tough but I am convinced our efforts in Iraq, instead of fighting the real war on terror, are distracting us. Anyone else feel this way, or is it just me?
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You sir, are my new hero! - Trifan 11/13/2008
Casey, you are a wise man - blueraider_mike 11/13/2008
Casey, This is an astute observation. - Slowbern 11/17/2008
The only part of this that is surprising is that it is surprising (to some).
Personally, I'm stunned to learn that the government would abuse it's power in a situation where it feels it is justified. I'd be willing to bet that something that fits that description has occurred in virtually every administration.
Government spying? eavesdropping on its own? Whoever heard of such a thing? I'm not a big conspiracy theory guy, but is this really surprising to anyone?
Sure, it may be frustrating, but surprising? IMO, politicians are not ones you should to when you're looking to find integrity, morality, and adherence to the guidelines. Anyone that does all that probably couldn't win an election.
You give man power, and man will abuse it. It will happen. It should be corrected when it happens. But, it shouldn't be surprising when it does.
American history is full of abuse of power, spying, eavesdropping, etc. To act as if this is something surprising and new is strange. IMHO.
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