mv2005 wrote:
Ok the confusion came from you referring to police emptying 17 or so rounds routinely. The initial assumption of mine being that you were arguing cops can’t operate on a ‘single hand’ amount of ammo (as though I was suggesting a one for all solution). I believe now that the point you were trying to make is that often this many rounds are required to be effective? I would suggest that they empty the clip regardless of how many are in it. Perhaps they are less focussed on accuracy based on having more chances. They didn’t always have so many rounds. How effective would you be on say 6 rounds?
Yes, that is the point I was trying to make.
I have never had to shoot at anyone with a pistol. At the range, if you give me 6 rounds, I will hit the red zone with all 6 (most of the time). Put me in a real life and death situation and, I dunno. I bet a lot of those officers who dump a mag could go 6 for 6 at the range as well.
As to how many you need - my dad is a retired FBI agent. He carried a .38 revolver (6 round capacity) for the first several years of his career. He was ecstatic when he finally was issued a Glock (15 rounds).
mv2005 wrote:
Out of curiosity how standardised is ammunition in terms of compatibility across brands / models?
Any 9mm pistol will fire any 9mm ammo. Now, ammo ranges greatly in terms of quality. Cheap ammo will jam, fail to fire, etc., etc.
Most common pistol rounds are: .22 caliber, .38/380, 9mm, and .45 caliber. There are others, 10mm, 40 S&W, 5.7x28, etc.
Most common pistols are 9mm then .45 caliber.
But, as you can see, there are a lot of variants.
mv2005 wrote:
Noted about the range discrepancies. So we can’t cover all bases. Does that mean we shouldn’t cover any?
Well, you have to show a reason for why you want to do what will cost a tremendous amount. Then, you have to decide who is covered. If you cover only certain types of establishments in a geographic area, what you will most likely do is kill their business as people go to other, unregulated locations. If you pick geographic locations, how do you decide which ones?
mv2005 wrote:
People keep saying bad idea because of x, y or z. I’m not really hearing any ‘good ideas’ to the contrary. I’ve heard people say there are enough laws and checks in place. Focusing on individuals is too time consuming and has proven again and again to be ineffective to date. There needs to be a capture all approach. Unfortunately that would put restrictions on responsible people too but as I’ve pointed out before it happens across many aspects of our lives.
The biggest issue is - we have so many laws on the books that are not being followed. Opponents of new laws just want to see the current laws enforced first.
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers
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