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Re: http://www.morf-tech.com/ [scott8888] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think folks are looking into the price vs. what feature this has when saying it's expensive. I first saw how much you guys pay for those cockpits and thought it was crazy.

Then I saw this thing in motion, that's neat. That folding thing is ingenious. Less drag maybe without having both skis and bull bars.

I'm not the target audience, I'm a budget TT'er and novice needing to stick with UCI norms. But one question, is the "locking/unlocking" able to be done while also grabbing some brake?

I think this is a good idea. I'd probably try it if I was in that skill level or budget range.
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Re: http://www.morf-tech.com/ [NUFCrichard] [ In reply to ]
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NUFCrichard wrote:
Is that your independent, non-conflicted view Antony?!
http://www.morf-tech.com/pros/

Any point-of-view has a part of subjectivity and it is easy to know/find that I am related to Morf as I was (almost) the only one in the world riding these handlebars for the last 15 months. A part of me would have liked this situation to stay that way...

However, while I am on this subject: I also participated in the product development/improvement and extensively tested all the last prototypes on the road.

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Re: http://www.morf-tech.com/ [ericmulk] [ In reply to ]
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While I have a few questions about these bars (like what is the purpose of the drop bar ends, and how do you ride with them?), this is still on the whole a pretty darn impressive and innovative product.

Yes, the retail cost is pretty high, but looking at how complicated these are/were to design and now to manufacture (plus the cost of liability insurance, believe me, not a trivial matter), and looking at the pricing of many other old-tech fixed aerobars, I don't think the retail price is out of line with the product being sold.

If these bars work for your needs, then they are a huge step forward compared to most any other full aerobars out there. But, yes, they are not cheap. My guess is that, eventually, the price will drop a little bit as they get more of them out there.

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Re: http://www.morf-tech.com/ [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like awesome tech. Way out of my price range, but I hope that some trickle-down appears in the future.
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Re: http://www.morf-tech.com/ [Tigre] [ In reply to ]
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Tigre wrote:
NUFCrichard wrote:
Is that your independent, non-conflicted view Antony?!
http://www.morf-tech.com/pros/


Any point-of-view has a part of subjectivity and it is easy to know/find that I am related to Morf as I was (almost) the only one in the world riding these handlebars for the last 15 months. A part of me would have liked this situation to stay that way...

However, while I am on this subject: I also participated in the product development/improvement and extensively tested all the last prototypes on the road.


Fwiw, I love the idea and concept, but Frank's timeline was too aggressive for a critical piece of hardware and I passed on the opportunity to work with Morf-Tech. I know a lot of us on here are true tri geeks/DIYers at heart. Also fwiw, I have three pairs of Neil's Viewspeed skewers and I love them too, but they aren't for everyone. I turned my old roommate Kirsty onto them and I could see her racking up some big wins on them. Lots of successes out there with Giro Empire SLX (Jesse Thomas, yourself, Kirsty and plenty of others) as well. I am glad you were able to refine Morf-Tech and I am glad Frank's timeline drastically morphed (pun intended).

With that being said, I am curious what your thoughts are on these. Would you recommend them to the casual triathlete? As a PhD in Biomechanics, do you see the opportunity for someone having a muscle-memory issue whereby they forget that they don't have bars to grab a hold of and then in a panic situation have a wreck because of it? I know the human mind/body is amazing and can make some incredible adjustments/adaptations if it has too, but that is part of the problem in this case, or at least for me as someone who switches back and forth on bikes and in general and just doesn't ride a tri bike all that often. How does one develop the proper muscle-memory to make sure it will NEVER happen? With casual riding and testing I didn't have concern. The concern for me is the real "fear for your life" sort of situations where just out of instinct you do something.


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Re: http://www.morf-tech.com/ [NUFCrichard] [ In reply to ]
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NUFCrichard wrote:
Is that your independent, non-conflicted view Antony?!
http://www.morf-tech.com/pros/


To Antony's credit, he is pretty anal about his setup and gear in general - there are far far worse people to take recommendations off of. See the piece of tape covering his Magura brake hole cover on his P5 for just how much of an aero-weenie he is (myself included too). You can very much tell he is a true user and lover of these. He also rides a P5.

Fwiw, I do think there will be some use-cases for people to use these that we don't even know yet, but I don't suspect we will see pros rushing in droves to switch to these. It will be interesting to see what happens and where this goes. Personally, I have said this before, I would be in favor of having Divvy bikes in Kona.


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Re: http://www.morf-tech.com/ [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Thomas,

My experience is that in an emergency situation the common reflex is to contract rather than to relax. Therefore from my point of view it seems safer to have brake levers already in your hands and grasp them instead of leaving the aerobars and then grab the brakes on you basebar.

I have heard anecdotes of crashes by users on classic handlebars slipping when switching from aero to base with wet/sweaty hands...

Being able to brake from the aero position is a big advantage for speed, but can also be the difference between alive and dead with the decreased braking time if/when a car (or anything else) runs into you. On this point the Morf is a game-changer (or just put some brake levers on your classic aerobars, but you would miss the decreased aerodynamic drag effect...).

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Re: http://www.morf-tech.com/ [Tigre] [ In reply to ]
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I'm responding to you, Antony, but this is really just an update for everyone else here: the first batch of MORF bars have shipped and should be arriving later this week. I have two sets on the way and should have two builds completed by next weekend.

Antony: have you tried the the production version with the "reverse" mechanical brake levers? In my opinion, it's a superior configuration as it gives the index fingers more leverage over the brake levers. It feels very similar to a brake setup on a mountain bike.
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Re: http://www.morf-tech.com/ [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Hi GreanPlease,

I got the "reverse" mechanical levers but never tried because I was already in season and did not want to try anything too new just before a competition. I like to have a good feel and habits on my setup including my brakes (I add some skate grip on the levers) for courses like the Ironman Nice.

I will try these levers in the future and there could even be some weight gain to make here compared to my hydraulic brakes, which is always good to take!

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Re: http://www.morf-tech.com/ [Tigre] [ In reply to ]
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Did anyone else receive their bars yesterday? I did... very impressed with the overall build quality and attention to detail, down to the packaging. For a first time product too!

I'm happy to report that I wasn't able to detect any play in the bars when applying a twisting motion in the 'pursuit' position. We'll see if that changes when I actually have it mounted. Will be going on a Shiv Tri with Tririg Sigma stem. Will try to weigh on kitchen scale in next few days too.




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Re: http://www.morf-tech.com/ [brianwchan] [ In reply to ]
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I received both sets of my bars today. I'm going to post some pictures up in the next hour or so.
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Re: http://www.morf-tech.com/ [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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I did a ride on these about 1.5 years ago and interviewed Frank about them on my podcast. They were awesome. The first couple of times you switch positions is a tiny bit awkward, then it's very natural. Two things about them I remember as standout features - They had zero play in them at all. I was very impressed with the quality and precision. Also, he had maybe 3 or 4 bikes with the bars in his medium sized SUV and there was still TONS of room because bikes are super narrow whenever you remove the handlebar overhang.

I rode on them in the dark on wet streets and felt totally confident that I was in control. Especially because you now have brake levers in your hands in the aero position. Basically, you have brake levers in your hands at all times. It's genius.

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Re: http://www.morf-tech.com/ [ZenTriBrett] [ In reply to ]
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Test fit from the shop:




Can't wait to pick up the bike!
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Re: http://www.morf-tech.com/ [brianwchan] [ In reply to ]
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Re: http://www.morf-tech.com/ [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Will do! Going to use the cable stop in the stem as well, so I can run bare cable down to the front brake.
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Re: http://www.morf-tech.com/ [Tigre] [ In reply to ]
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I've had cases in some races where there were incredible gusting crosswinds & the most ideal position was one arm on an aero bar (closest to the side the wind came from) and the other was on the base bar handle (a hybride aero position I'll call it). Anything but that was either too unstable or put me in a slower upright position. I enjoy the options of a basebar/aerobar that this product does not seem to offer. It is not for me. Good luck with it though!
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