But I'm sure it's going to be the next step, there's also the whole China influence thing, Trudeau the little potato has already been caught in the cash for access scheme but apparently that's not unethical. Not that he's off the hook, he did take a free Christmas trip last year, curiously it took the ethics commissioner an entire year to figure out he did the wrong thing and magically the report was released when the house wasn't sitting. How convenient!
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Re: Ah Canadian Politics, At Least It Isn't a Brown Paper Bag... Yet [racin_rusty]
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But I'm sure it's going to be the next step, there's also the whole China influence thing, Trudeau the little potato has already been caught in the cash for access scheme but apparently that's not unethical. Not that he's off the hook, he did take a free Christmas trip last year, curiously it took the ethics commissioner an entire year to figure out he did the wrong thing and magically the report was released when the house wasn't sitting. How convenient!Nice to see that politics in Canuckistan is at least as sleazy and unethical as ours is. ;-)
Down here, when the government wants to bury a report that may not put it in the best light, it releases it on a Friday night, when DC and the mainstream media are usually on a skeleton crew and not paying much attention. It's called a "Friday night news dump."
"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
Re: Ah Canadian Politics, At Least It Isn't a Brown Paper Bag... Yet [big kahuna]
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Nice to see that politics in Canuckistan is at least as sleazy and unethical as ours is
Not advocating for unethical behaviours for politicians, just commenting that in other countries, particularly 3rd world and developing countries, and those like China, the way of going about things is completely and totally different, than the way we in the west do things or at least are supposed to do things.
We would call it corruption or collusion, but it's the way things have been done in those counties, for perhaps hundreds of years, and they do not have the over-site to counter it.
If you've spent any time in 3rd world and developing countries as a tourist, it's readily apparent that almost EVERYONE is some how in on The Take, and their is an elaborate set-up for many people along a long chain of people to all get their little bit of money - it's the way things are done. The tout, who tracks you down, the minute you step out of the airport or off the train who's connected to the cab-driver who will take you yo the hotel, who on the way to the hotel, will point out, the BEST places to shop and eat, to the concierge at the hotel, who will for a few dollars, again tell you, about the BEST places to go and on and on.
And of course then when shopping/eating doing whatever, for ANYTHING - the price is NEVER the price you end up paying, EVERYTHING is negotiated relentlessly! To the point that you realize, it's so embedded in the culture/behavior it's how social discourse happens, it's expected that this will go on. It's almost rude, that you don't engage in this dance!
To us in the West this is all strange, abhorrent, unethical, and in some cases illegal behavior by OUR standards.
A few dollars here and there in a market in Cairo, when shopping for a trinket is one thing, but for VERY big business deals, the stakes and the dollars can become massive. The Canadian company Bombardier, was recently exposed as having middle-men in some 3rd world & developing countries, who were collecting $millions in "fees", for simply for making a few connections. Again, in those countries, it's the way business happens - for us, this is potentially unethical and maybe illegal, but it's the way things get done there.
Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog
Not advocating for unethical behaviours for politicians, just commenting that in other countries, particularly 3rd world and developing countries, and those like China, the way of going about things is completely and totally different, than the way we in the west do things or at least are supposed to do things.
We would call it corruption or collusion, but it's the way things have been done in those counties, for perhaps hundreds of years, and they do not have the over-site to counter it.
If you've spent any time in 3rd world and developing countries as a tourist, it's readily apparent that almost EVERYONE is some how in on The Take, and their is an elaborate set-up for many people along a long chain of people to all get their little bit of money - it's the way things are done. The tout, who tracks you down, the minute you step out of the airport or off the train who's connected to the cab-driver who will take you yo the hotel, who on the way to the hotel, will point out, the BEST places to shop and eat, to the concierge at the hotel, who will for a few dollars, again tell you, about the BEST places to go and on and on.
And of course then when shopping/eating doing whatever, for ANYTHING - the price is NEVER the price you end up paying, EVERYTHING is negotiated relentlessly! To the point that you realize, it's so embedded in the culture/behavior it's how social discourse happens, it's expected that this will go on. It's almost rude, that you don't engage in this dance!
To us in the West this is all strange, abhorrent, unethical, and in some cases illegal behavior by OUR standards.
A few dollars here and there in a market in Cairo, when shopping for a trinket is one thing, but for VERY big business deals, the stakes and the dollars can become massive. The Canadian company Bombardier, was recently exposed as having middle-men in some 3rd world & developing countries, who were collecting $millions in "fees", for simply for making a few connections. Again, in those countries, it's the way business happens - for us, this is potentially unethical and maybe illegal, but it's the way things get done there.
Steve Fleck @stevefleck | Blog