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Re: do it yourself ironman? [chuy] [ In reply to ]
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I think doing any race distance as a personal test is nice to prove one's ability to themselves. So on that end great! Go for it.

Regarding PRs, I would not consider any time not done in an actual competitive event as a PR. A Half Marathon is an event, a Marathon is an event, and Ironman is an event.

I run 13.1 miles or more many many times a year, but I only run a couple Half Marathons each year and one or two Marathons. I look to those races to achieve my PRs.

I looked up Eliud Kipchoge's PRs on World Athletics. As I would expect, it lists his Marathon PR as 2:01:39, not 1:59:40.
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [len] [ In reply to ]
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I've done 10 self-supported Ironmans and even a self-supported Ultraman. PM me if you need tips on how or you have questions. They are amazingly fun and satisfying. :)

And I agree with Matt - My fastest Ironman time might be a self-supported one, but I wouldn't really go around saying that's my official PR. But if you do a self-supported Ironman with a few or more other people and the vibe is competitive, then I could possibly see it as a PR. When you have to race against others on the same course, it's you against the course and the dynamics of others on the same course. I definitely think self-supported is harder, but when you tell people your PR for an "Ironman", everybody is picturing you battling it out on a course with lots of other people on the same time.

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Re: do it yourself ironman? [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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I like this idea. As a matter of fact, my husband doesn't think I have any business signing up for an Ironman event unless I actually can do the distance in "practice." If you guys do Lake Placid, let me know, I might do it too if it was later this year!
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [AquaBikePatti65] [ In reply to ]
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AquaBikePatti65 wrote:

I like this idea. As a matter of fact, my husband doesn't think I have any business signing up for an Ironman event unless I actually can do the distance in "practice." If you guys do Lake Placid, let me know, I might do it too if it was later this year!

A friend of mine did one of my self-supported Ironmans with me, except cut the run down to 13 miles. His goal was to use it as a training day for his upcoming Ironman Florida. He was able to test out all of his nutrition and gear, but not get too beat up from the run. He turned around a month later an PR'd at Florida with a sub-10. Really smart idea!

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Interviews with Chris McCormack, Helle Frederikson, Angela Naeth, and many more.
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [vonschnapps] [ In reply to ]
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vonschnapps wrote:
I do a few Olympic do it yourself training workouts, but since I have to drive to and from the pool, and take my time during the bike/run transition it’s just really a tough training day. As others have said, the time to recover, and subsequent lost training makes a training IM sort of impractical. Three of us once did a half IM; pool swim and had to drive to T1, but we still called it a half IM.

Why did you have to drive to T1? T1 can be at the pool, yes the start location might not be ideal due to traffic , but it's still distance with a clock running. Lock bike in car or on bike rack during transitions


http://www.coupleofathletes.com
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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That others know what you do is of great concern to you. Ironic.
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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synthetic wrote:
vonschnapps wrote:
I do a few Olympic do it yourself training workouts, but since I have to drive to and from the pool, and take my time during the bike/run transition it’s just really a tough training day. As others have said, the time to recover, and subsequent lost training makes a training IM sort of impractical. Three of us once did a half IM; pool swim and had to drive to T1, but we still called it a half IM.


Why did you have to drive to T1? T1 can be at the pool, yes the start location might not be ideal due to traffic , but it's still distance with a clock running. Lock bike in car or on bike rack during transitions

We were thinking of each having a SUV in the Y parking lot, off to the side, and using that as transition but opted for a transition setup in the driveway of one of our houses a few miles away. And we actually didn’t run from the Y pool deck to the car, more like a fast walk. We also all stayed together during the bike and most of the run. Basically a Half IM training event.
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [Velocibuddha] [ In reply to ]
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Velocibuddha wrote:
Why opt for a boring at home triathlon.

Why not create your own "epic" cross country ironman course.
Record it on Strava (or Zwift?) and challenge others to do it.

+1. I'd like to see some epic multisport FKT courses like there are in the running world: R2R2R, Zion Traverse, Cactus to Clouds, Sea to Sky. I'd love to hear suggestions for courses. Example: swim Antelope Canyon, ride to the North Rim, run to the South. Don't die. Post your time for others to beat.
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [Sasquatch] [ In reply to ]
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I have done several of these from 1/2 IM to IM. Still do the "official" events as well but sometimes with family and work schedules just don't align to get away. I do find the "fatass" or solo events both tougher and less stressful on some level. You don't have the pressure to hit a time or place (obviously), can just enjoy the day, pick a location a race isnt, and move a day or two either way for weather. That said, you have the logistical issues of fueling on the bike and run. Can be a long ways depending where you live between stores for the run, for me at home is 6 to 8 miles. For me the "home" IM course end ups up being swim 3, bike 114 and run 27. And really is bike 7, swim 3, bike 7, bike 100, run 27 as I ride to ye ol swimming hole.

On another note when people say just make the course distance out of loops you have and is close enough - remember that is how IM started with the Roughwater swim, backing into the local century ride plus a few miles to get you to the Honolulu marathon course. Totally in the spirit if you end up with your own thing.

And as for people who don't count it as an IM I would file that under who cares. Do whatever you enjoy, for your own reasons and well being. If people need to feel better about themselves to always pay 700+ clams to be "official" every time (what IM marketing would call a win!) then that is their thing, just not yours. Reality is exactly what someone else said prior, most people are there to participate or "race against themselves" anyway for their own reasons. And for many the safety of an official IM to have all the support, fans and logistics taken care of is just what they need and want - you just might not.

Finally, as I enter my 32nd year of tri, trail, and ultra fun I have seen a lot of people come and go. The ones that stay in a healthy lifestyle over the long haul are the ones that create a mix of training, events, etc that works for them and not what everyone else thinks they need to be doing. Enjoy being healthy your way, push the haters to the side, and be well.

Banger
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [len] [ In reply to ]
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I openly applaud your gumption. I did this with some long trail runs; heck, I still remember those solo efforts. I still believe they made me tougher. I say, HECK YES!!!! Give your effort an official race title; mine was the DaveManCaveMan. tell as many friends as possible, have them check up on you during the event. Does the event "really count as a real event?" of course it does, if you do it sincerely. and yes, you get braggin' rights. I will shave down, put on a texas flag speedo, hold up a stupid sign, and come support you.
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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So why does anybody ever enter races? Isn’t it always “cheaper” just to do it on your own? Zero chance I ever do an Ironman distance without the pomp and circumstance of the actual race.
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [triguy86] [ In reply to ]
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I did a DIY half IM as a test before signing up for a full IM as I’d never taken part in any form of triathlon or race and it was a free, convenient way of getting a feeling for what it was about before taking the plunge.

A DIY full IM would be another matter though - I think it would be hard to push 100% and one would end up just treating it as a training brick.
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [banger] [ In reply to ]
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The people that say that it does not count, believe what you want, but it is actually harder than most people think. Besides, triathlon is a sport, not a brand. My better half did it, and it was ridiculously hard just to even watch. No way I could do the full distance without lots of people around me and racing vibe.
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [Engner66] [ In reply to ]
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Engner66 wrote:
The people that say that it does not count, believe what you want, but it is actually harder than most people think. Besides, triathlon is a sport, not a brand. My better half did it, and it was ridiculously hard just to even watch. No way I could do the full distance without lots of people around me and racing vibe.

only 12 completed that first ironman in 1978, self supported and no timing chips. guess it doesnt count.


http://www.coupleofathletes.com
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [len] [ In reply to ]
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Lots of people do it.Some even break records while they are at it.

https://raitratasepp.ee/...riathlons-in-40-days
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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synthetic wrote:
Engner66 wrote:
The people that say that it does not count, believe what you want, but it is actually harder than most people think. Besides, triathlon is a sport, not a brand. My better half did it, and it was ridiculously hard just to even watch. No way I could do the full distance without lots of people around me and racing vibe.

only 12 completed that first ironman in 1978, self supported and no timing chips. guess it doesnt count.

To the OP, I say “Go for it!” What a fun and interesting challenge. I’m sure it would be really hard and fulfilling in a unique way.

As for records and credibility:

If someone told me they did a solo 140.6 and had no or extremely limited triathlon results I likely would think they’re full of shit.

Conversely, if they told me they have done eight 70.3s and four 140.6s (all on USA triathlon rankings) and they even did one more solo, I’d believe them, I’d be impressed, and that’s the one I’d want to hear more about. That would have to a story, right?

As for times; I would never count it as my best time. I’d count it as my “best solo effort” or something to make it a unique endeavor.
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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synthetic wrote:

only 12 completed that first ironman in 1978, self supported and no timing chips. guess it doesnt count.

I see what you did there.



Rhymenocerus wrote:
I think everyone should consult ST before they do anything.
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [Jigsy] [ In reply to ]
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Good luck!! I'm doing one in a couple months, indoors!
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [spockwaslen] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks to OP and all other athletes who chimed in with fun and positive stories of long-arse <events>, great reading and motivation. Because all 2020 races cancelled, and my HIM #2 in Sep likely cancelled, I decided to do a selfie solo HIM distance. Did about 73 miles total on the event, and had a great time.

Edit: dropped the race report, realize it doesn't belong here

Our tri training team has been doing mini-events also, sprint and Oly. Casual not-timed transitions.
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [ssylwester] [ In reply to ]
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I did my own HIM last April, glad I did as not much else around and it keeps the streak going. Gearing up for an end of year Marathon for the streak too.

My race site: https://www.racesandplaces.net/
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [spockwaslen] [ In reply to ]
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The Vegan Cyclist did a "Off the couch Ironman" video, its well worth the 38 minutes. Best part is the end with his son (about 29 1/2 minutes in if you want short version). Certainly well worth it in VC's view just for that! Hope it goes well for you!

OFF THE COUCH IRONMAN (Road Cyclist tries an Ironman triathlon on NO TRAINING!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R95fOvpinVs
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [abrowntd] [ In reply to ]
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Nice.
Thanks for pasting.
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [spockwaslen] [ In reply to ]
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I was training for what would have been my first tri in 10 years. It was a 1/2 IM scheduled for April 5.
I carried all I needed for the bike.
My run was two 5 mile loops and a 3 mile loop, all going past my house so I could top off my bottles.
You could loop the bike for topping off your water/fuel.
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Re: do it yourself ironman? [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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The GMAN wrote:
M~ wrote:
The GMAN wrote:
I don't see the point but to each their own.


1. No entry fees
2. True test of mental and physical toughness (nobody to draft off of, nobody cheering you on)
3. If you need to bail for whatever reason you aren't out $700+
4. If you need to move your race from one week to another, pretty easy to do.
5. Do it in the off season when you don't get hosed on hotel fees.

I could likely go on if you want.

Still not seeing the point but I don't really care what others do. I mean, if I run 13.1 miles in training I would never say I ran a half marathon. A half marathon signifies I did an organized race of some sort. Otherwise, it's just a training run.

I get the OP wants to test himself without the barriers of being locked into a race entry and logistics (which you note) but I, as in me personally, don't get that mindset. I'm just not wired like that. What everyone else does is of little concern to me so at the end of the day it doesn't matter what I think or what he does. I just don't get it. All I'm sayin'.
I am genuinely curious if you "don't see the point", why not scroll on by this thread?
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